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what in the hell did that skeleton of a article prove and what is your point
that the democratic party supports illegal immigration based on this lofty
article about dwindling union membership, i don't get it. you sound more desperate then the unions.
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Desperation is when Obama and Hillary call for illegal immigration to be stopped, then they want to set up an education fund in the billion$$ for illegals and their campaign supporters are recruiting illegals for profits.
Democrats want more illegals in America and lie about it.
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no your right we should rely on private industry for livable wages and health insurance , ya like that would ever happen without organized labor, why do you think wal mart and the fast food industry fight organization? so they can continue to keep there workers desperate and poor, because it is cheaper to rehire and retrain new workers then to keep workers around with pay increase and benefits, unions have done a great service to the working classes and continue to this day.
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It's cheaper to rehire and train? Are you nuts? 
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05-07-2008, 03:06 PM
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Wal-Mart and fast food restaurants do just fine without Unions, that's why they are constantly being attacked and blackmailed by greedy lawyers.
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05-07-2008, 03:07 PM
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Wal-Mart and fast food restaurants do just fine without Unions, that's why they are constantly being attacked and blackmailed by greedy lawyers. |
Wal mart and fast food joints, the ones with the high pay and awesome benefits?
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05-07-2008, 03:12 PM
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Wal mart and fast food joints, the ones with the high pay and awesome benefits?
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How much should someone get paid to flip hamburgers and take out trash?
Should they make as much money as someone with a college degree in economics and is licensed to sell Healthcare Savings Accounts?
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Don't get me wrong Unions were good like 60 years ago, they out lived there usefullness, there Dinosaur's and do way more harm then good.
I saw this to be interesting:
Political Calculations: Union Membership Trends in the U.S. Private Sector
If Union's are so good why does there numbers continue to decline?
In 1948 the precentage of the work force that were Union's were 31.8%
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have you ever been part of a Union? what are you afraid of?
you should also point out that 24% of the private workforce was Union in 1968.(at a time our middle class was its strongest ,i must add)
HHMMMM  1968 strong Union presence= strongest middle class
2008 lower Union presence=weakest middle class in recent history
DO THE MATH!!!! 
The reason the Unions have taken a hit is because Reagan showed corporate America it was OK to get rid of them in the early '80s.And since then our government(Dems & Repubs alike) has enabled the working to be beaten down.which comes back to the original point of Illegals in this country.
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How much should someone get paid to flip hamburgers and take out trash?
Should they make as much money as someone with a college degree in economics and is licensed to sell Healthcare Savings Accounts?
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I don't know. But they both are entitled to unions that will get them the best pay and benefits for that job and protect them in that job.
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