Well I saw the poll, but it is still amazing that about 50% or that 81% will still argue that John McCain & his 3rd Bush term is the way to go. I know, there is not really any way to know that either Obama or Clinton would do any better: but certainly they could do no worse then the last 20 years, and especially the last 8 years.

However, I suspect that if we started voting so as to demand a huge change in the Congress: and started giving ear to candidates that contracted to serve only 1 or 2 consecutive terms, we would start getting very different candidates for Congress, which just might activate the Congress out of its slumber. ...pjwky

Our method is to have candidates sign a notarized affidavit that they will vote in strict accordance with their oath of office. We are supporting candidates at the local, state and federal levels, we can put them in and we can take them out. If they refuse to abide by their affidavit, we will sue them for breach of contract and have the prosecuter go after them for perjury. We are grassroots supporters of Ron Paul, we are strong, and we have only just begun to fight! We were tricked by the insiders here, but that will never happen again.

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>>>Damn, Americans are sounding almost unAmerican. I think they understand that if the government helped the people with their mortgages, the people would pay those mortgages. I think they also understand that if the government helps the banks, the bankers would just 'invest' the money in more Gulfstreams.

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What I like about this post "Icy" is that you speak to DOING something about this terrible bind that "We the People", the Congress, the Executive, and the Courts, and the entire Nation are now in: you actually address the need for the SYSTEM and INSTRUMENTS of our government to fundamentaly change!

We all should know that only changing the individual players will not change the fundamental flaws now present on our system of government: our present system of government produces broken & greedy politicians, who then continue to govern and advance their own wealth & prsonal political agendas for many years.

I am not saying that your prescription for drafting such a change is necessarily the most reliable way to go about a fundimental change in our instruments of government. For instance, in such a vast country with huge numbers of citizens, how or what designated group would watch-over & then if need innitiate these "suits" to hold officials accountable? How could these affidavits be so constructed to include the wishes of the people they are representing?

I think that at this time, our ever increasing population (many of whom will never be really interested or effective in their government) are a tremendous impediment to change: and for this reason I think that we will ultimately have to devise some method that has an "auto-pilot" feature written in.

I believe that some form of term-limits for all or perhaps some of the elected offices of governmental power should be closely considered: we may also want to consider some form of opportunity for "a recall" vote every 2 years: we may want to consider a system whereby an incumbent must gain an increasingly larger majority of the votes if he/she is to retain an office over the years. [I do not believe there is any reason that should allow for a politician in a democracy to remain in consecutive office for more then 12 years: Courts included.]

What if local governors or mayors that proved to be good representatives of the people, were then encouraged to advance to the national government by some well thought out method? What if every elected official had to complete their term of office before they could become a candidate for another office?

This is no longer 1776 with 13 colonies: its now an electronic, industerial, nuclear, global, technological & over-populated world & country with a big-money controlled media: resources within our own country are not responsibily distributed. As a nation we have allowed an enormously strong now perhaps unbreakable bond between wealth & political power to develop and become entrenched.

In many ways we now have an aristocracy of the wealthy: perhaps some candidates in our government should come from populations that were not blessed with wealth. (What if, either a factory worker or middle class worker (hourly wage earner) were the only candidates eligable to serve in some designated seats?)

There are over 300 million of us, and we are still increasing without regard to the present resources capacity to provide for both physical & educational needs for our large population: our economy, our jobs, our homes, our health, our Foreign Policy, our National Security, our personal & life-time security is vanishing.

I have no personal attachment to any of the ideas I put forth above, and I realize there are pros & cons to each of these. I would still like to hear more about what you & the Ron Paul folks are doing "Icy". ....pjwky

This same recipe is being implimented all over the country, we will be victorious, we will take this country back. Many of us are running for office, and many current candidates are running as Ron Paul Republicans. We only had a 10% impact on the pres election, but we are 300,000 strong and every one is a dedicated activist. We are America, we are driven and we shall succeed. Our revolution is just gaining momentum every day.

Google Ron Paul Republicans

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The Liberty Papers »Blog Archive » The Ron Paul Republicans

The Raw Story | Ron Paul: Republicans need Reagan's courage

Rise of the Ron Paul Republicans - North County Times / The Californian - On Notice - Rise of the Ron Paul Republicans

http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/10514

Friends of Liberty - Ron Paul supporters control Missouri Republican county conventions

GOP Rising: Ron Paul Republicans

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Here, Here "GeorgeOwell", yes we do sound "unAmerican" just like those old colonist sounded "unEnglish" back in the old days.

Trickle down money only helps the people that do the work if it trickles down to create more or better jobs & wages: it does not work very well if those tax breaks go toward more lavish Gulfstreams or another vacation mansion in the Bahamas.

Of course it could be said to work if it is given to the politicians that will then give even more tax breaks to the Gulfstream crowd. ...pjwky

Well "Icy", you have convinced me; and thank you for the hyper-links to the Ron Paul folks: I will actually spend some time there and try to learn something.

AWE is great fun, and at times it can be interesting and I even occasionally learn things: my only reservation about AWE is that with all the various opinions & ideas, there is no method or attempt to strike out an help poor-old-america to get back on a safe course. I will check out your suggestions, Icy. ...pjwky

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I have another idea to add: what if we were to design some sort of "Watchers Court" with sufficient strength to monitor any financial abuses that would occur during the tenure of all elected offices. This court would be required to look at the financial connections regarding things like Haliberton & Iraq; Blackwater & Iraq; Big Oil & Profits. Perhaps this court would be supervised by the Congress. ...pjwky

Still doesnt veer from the truth about the CNN website and its dumb little poll. Its tough to watch huh? Fox is killing the competition, why? I guess the public is not as brainwashed as the little lefty college snots.