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Old 04-03-2008, 01:37 PM
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...sheesh, it's good to be King!!!

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It's good to be King when America is attacked by terrorists and your hands are tied from preventing such terror attacks?
I think you need to be the King and see how this works out for you.
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Old 04-03-2008, 02:27 PM
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Parsing this gives us;

That view was expressed in a Justice Department legal memo dated Oct. 23, 2001. The administration on Wednesday stressed that it now disavows that view.

The administration had asked the department for an opinion on the legality of potential responses to terrorist activity.

The 37-page memo has not been released.



So, in summary, we have a rejected opinion that no public body has ever read. Keep trying libs...eventually you will find something. If a million monkeys type...never mind.
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Old 04-03-2008, 02:55 PM
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So, in summary, we have a rejected opinion that no public body has ever read. Keep trying libs...eventually you will find something. If a million monkeys type...never mind.
Proving once again that a single pig is smarter than a million monkeys...

No wonder I have dim view of Feral Baboons!

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Old 04-03-2008, 03:29 PM
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That view was expressed in a Justice Department legal memo dated Oct. 23, 2001. The administration on Wednesday stressed that it now disavows that view.

Surely you are not suggesting this weak excuse covers all the torture, damage to the constitution, and other abuses of the Bush administration which followed whether it was disavowed or not?

Us "libs"? If you study the Nazi movement in Germany their approach was nearly identical to the liberal/conservative polarizing and demonizing this country has experienced. They alienated everyone who wasn't a Nazi exactly the same way and then proceeded to act on their well-recorded agenda.

I think it takes real nerve to ignore the excesses and violations that followed this edict and those who left the Bush administration because of it. Just like it takes real nerve to say "keep looking and you might find something" after the WMD's. You're the one who needs to find something.
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Surely you are not suggesting this weak excuse covers all the torture, damage to the constitution, and other abuses of the Bush administration which followed whether it was disavowed or not?

Us "libs"? If you study the Nazi movement in Germany their approach was nearly identical to the liberal/conservative polarizing and demonizing this country has experienced. They alienated everyone who wasn't a Nazi exactly the same way and then proceeded to act on their well-recorded agenda.

I think it takes real nerve to ignore the excesses and violations that followed this edict and those who left the Bush administration because of it. Just like it takes real nerve to say "keep looking and you might find something" after the WMD's. You're the one who needs to find something.
Why do you think terrorists that blow up school buses full of 6 year old children are being abused by Bush?
Do you have children that go to school on a bus?
How does the US Constitution protect children in America from being blown up by terrorists? Feel free to point out the clause.
How does demonizing President Bush protect Americans?

NEW YORK — A veteran civil rights lawyer was convicted Thursday of crossing the line by smuggling messages of violence from one of her jailed clients — a radical Egyptian sheik — to his terrorist disciples on the outside.

Stewart, who once represented Weather Underground (search) radicals and mob turncoat Sammy "The Bull" Gravano (search), repeatedly declared her innocence, maintaining she was unfairly targeted by overzealous prosecutors.
But she also testified that she believed violence was sometimes necessary to achieve justice: "To rid ourselves of the entrenched, voracious type of capitalism that is in this country that perpetuates sexism and racism, I don't think that can come nonviolently."
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...Us "libs"? If you study the Nazi movement in Germany their approach was nearly identical to the liberal/conservative polarizing and demonizing this country has experienced. They alienated everyone who wasn't a Nazi exactly the same way and then proceeded to act on their well-recorded agenda...
...and let's not forget that there is a political party in this country that thinks one needs to swear allegiance to the party, and that both parties alienate anyone who is not a member of their party. And that applies to BOTH republicans and democrats.
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What is so damned hard to understand that your opening a box of fascist cereal when you allow the President expanded powers to spy, monitor or in anyway intrude on the privacy of Americans.

Enough said. It is not justifiable in anyway. You can, if you like. Circle Jerk around and find ways to justify it. However, do you think the Government is gonna relinquish this power given to them when or if America gets out of the business of entangling itself in stupid conflicts around the world?

No, it will and possibly is. Gonna be used to suppress domestic dissenters.
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Why do you think terrorists that blow up school buses full of 6 year old children are being abused by Bush?

This statement is so beautiful in its twisted logic and pure representation of the Bush kool aid that I don't need to do anything. But its most beautiful aspect is the fact that not one single school bus of 6 year olds has been blown up in the US by terrorists. I'm sure the set-up answer for this is "because Bush took these powers we haven't had any buses blown up." But people wise to the Bush lies realize we wouldn't have anyway and there was no real need for these anti-constitutional powers. But what really grinds me about this smarmy answer is the fact it ignored completely innocent persons who were tortured by these fascist CIA Bush people. When accused they then flagrantly lie about doing it. There are many cases where the torturers made sure these people were abused and incriminated for as long as possible before reluctantly releasing them after years in torture Gulags.

Wise people understand the real agenda here is domestic. Any fool, Nazi German or other, can babble slogans. We have a real problem with our government in this country.

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NEW YORK — A veteran civil rights lawyer was convicted Thursday of crossing the line by smuggling messages of violence from one of her jailed clients — a radical Egyptian sheik — to his terrorist disciples on the outside.

Stewart, who once represented Weather Underground (search) radicals and mob turncoat Sammy "The Bull" Gravano (search), repeatedly declared her innocence, maintaining she was unfairly targeted by overzealous prosecutors.
But she also testified that she believed violence was sometimes necessary to achieve justice: "To rid ourselves of the entrenched, voracious type of capitalism that is in this country that perpetuates sexism and racism, I don't think that can come nonviolently."

This, of course, doesn't answer anything I was saying. I don't understand what you are saying here? Are you saying because one leftist lawyer tried to smuggle notes from known islamists that therefore we need to tear down the Constitution and give Bush dictator powers? Where in that FOX News quote have you shown me where this couldn't have been done by previous normal means? It's silly.

This nation has been taken over by FOX News goons to whom this bullsh*t sounds reasonable. What the %$%# is going on in this country? This is Nazism by definition. But its worst offense is that it's really stupid.
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