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Old 03-31-2008, 10:39 PM
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Obama had greater role on liberal survey - Kenneth P. Vogel - Politico.com

During his first run for elected office, Barack Obama played a greater role than his aides now acknowledge in crafting liberal stands on gun control, the death penalty and abortion — positions that appear at odds with the more moderate image he has projected during his presidential campaign.

The evidence comes from an amended version of an Illinois voter group’s detailed questionnaire, filed under his name during his 1996 bid for a state Senate seat.

Late last year, in response to a Politico story about Obama’s answers to the original questionnaire, his aides said he “never saw or approved” the questionnaire.

They asserted the responses were filled out by a campaign aide who “unintentionally mischaracterize[d] his position.”

But a Politico examination determined that Obama was actually interviewed about the issues on the questionnaire by the liberal Chicago nonprofit group that issued it. And it found that Obama — the day after sitting for the interview — filed an amended version of the questionnaire, which appears to contain Obama’s own handwritten notes added to one answer.

The two questionnaires, provided to Politico with assistance from political sources opposed to Obama’s presidential campaign, were later supplied directly by the group, Independent Voters of Illinois — Independent Precinct Organization. Obama and his then-campaign manager, who Obama’s campaign asserts filled out the questionnaires, were familiar with the group, its members and its positions, since both were active in it before Obama's 1996 state Senate run.

Through an aide, Obama, who won the group’s endorsement as well as the statehouse seat, did not dispute that the handwriting was his. But he contended it doesn’t prove he completed, approved — or even read — the latter questionnaire.

“Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate questionnaires — a staffer did — and there are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now,” Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for Obama’s campaign, said in an e-mailed statement. “He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire at the meeting, but that doesn't change the fact that some answers didn't reflect his views. His 11 years in public office do.”

But the questionnaires provide fodder to question Obama’s ideological consistency and electability. Those questions are central to efforts by Obama’s presidential rival Hillary Clinton to woo the superdelegates whose votes represent her best chance to wrest the Democratic nomination from Obama.

Taken together — and combined with later policy pronouncements — the two 1996 questionnaires paint a picture of an inexperienced Obama still trying to feel his way around major political issues and less constrained by the nuance that now frames his positions on sensitive issues.

Consider the question of whether minors should be required to get parental consent — or at least notify their parents — before having abortion.

The first version of Obama’s questionnaire responds with a simple “No.”

The amended version, though, answers less stridently: “Depends on how young — possibly for extremely young teens, i.e., 12- or 13-year-olds.”

By 2004, when his campaign filled out a similar questionnaire for the IVI-IPO during his campaign for U.S. Senate, the answer to a similar question contained still more nuance, but also more precision. “I would oppose any legislation that does not include a bypass provision for minors who have been victims of, or have reason to fear, physical or sexual abuse,” he wrote.

The evolution continued at least through late last year, when his campaign filled out a questionnaire for a nonpartisan reproductive health group that answered a similar question with even more nuance.

“As a parent, Obama believes that young women, if they become pregnant, should talk to their parents before considering an abortion. But he realizes not all girls can turn to their mother or father in times of trouble, and in those instances, we should want these girls to seek the advice of trusted adults — an aunt, a grandmother, a pastor,” his campaign wrote to RH Reality Check.
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It's true....A "Staffer" filled out the Questionare in Obamas hand writting.

Besides,,,it was on the "amended" version... He needed to "modify" his position from one day to the next. True Liberal Leadership in Action
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This indicates his political skills evolved as he spent more time in public office. Is that surprising? All politicians 'nuance' their views to reach a greater audience. Of course for me,in general, the more liberal the better.
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This indicates his political skills evolved as he spent more time in public office. Is that surprising? All politicians 'nuance' their views to reach a greater audience. Of course for me,in general, the more liberal the better.
Of course Sac..." Which ever way the Wind blows from one day to the next."

He's a true Liberal Leader.

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Of course Sac..." Which ever way the Wind blows from one day to the next."

He's a true Liberal Leader.

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Come on Real, all politicians blow in the wind, that is what makes them politicians. I would expect any Democratic presidential candidate to be a Liberal leader to some degree.
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Come on Real, all politicians blow in the wind, that is what makes them politicians. I would expect any Democratic presidential candidate to be a Liberal leader to some degree.
Between HilLiary getting shot at by snipers and motar fire from her visit to Bosnia,,,and Obama claiming he hadn't a clue about his Reverends views on Whites, his personal wish not to "Punish" his daughters with a baby,,,and now his claiming not to ever have seen the Papers with his own hand writting on it.

Yep,,,I'd say they both Blow in the Wind all right.

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I love the second one about not taking "OIL" money.

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It's true....A "Staffer" filled out the Questionare in Obamas hand writting.

Besides,,,it was on the "amended" version... He needed to "modify" his position from one day to the next. True Liberal Leadership in Action
True conservative Leadership in Action: Never admit you are wrong.....and once you tell a, keep lying! And spread the propaganda and Fear!

That about sums it up, unless one wants to talk about the 993 Lies the Bush Admin. used to take our country to war!!
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True conservative Leadership in Action: Never admit you are wrong.....and once you tell a, keep lying! And spread the propaganda and Fear!

That about sums it up, unless one wants to talk about the 993 Lies the Bush Admin. used to take our country to war!!
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Of course Sac..." Which ever way the Wind blows from one day to the next."

He's a true Liberal Leader.

Take care.
Hey Real, care to investigate McCains true feelings towards the media after they caught him one of his many LIES!!

McCain Lies To Media, Calls Media "Jerks" After Lies Are Exposed:

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I know Real, in the mind set of a die-hard closed minded conservative Repub.....you guys believe in TWO lies!! There's the Republican/GW Bush lies. Then theres the Democratic lies.

I wonder which side of the conservative brain matter (if any) are used when a consecrative attempts to dissect lies!

Sadly, its becoming abundantly clear that Conservatives were not born with the Gene/DNA cell structure to unbiasely recognize lies, regardless who are telling them. Scientist have been studying this Conservative phenomenon of not being able to recognize lies even though the obvious lies are recorded.

Scientist believe that as conservatives join the human race, and start to marry outside their ideology, future conservative children with inherit the truth sermon gene given to them by their truthful parent (of which won't be Conservative Men).

So the future of the Conservative ideology demands that conservative women breaking away and avoid marrying Neanderthal Conservative thinking men. Thus there will be hope for future generation of conservative children to join the human race and the 21st Century.
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