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01-25-2008, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by itsplayed
Yeah right!....Lying and passing along bad intel are two different things.....go buy yourself a clue.
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Wait a minute. Were you about to ask me to define sexual relations?
I might buy that if around a thousand other things weren't true.
The problem is, The Downing Street Memos, combined with the Project for the New American Century, are very credible evidence that the Bush administration had already determined they were going to invade Iraq. The "bad intel" was a formality at best. Closer to the truth would be to say that it was part of the sales pitch.
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02-02-2008, 06:02 AM
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"We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. . . . I think it will go relatively quickly... (in) weeks rather than months.” – Vice President Cheney [3/16/03]
“The notion that it would take several hundred thousand American troops just seems outlandish.” -Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, [3/4/03]
“It is not knowable how long that conflict would last, it could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.” Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, [2/7/03]
“There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more…Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough agent to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets.” – Colin Powell, 2/5/03
“Saddam has amassed large, clandestine stockpiles of biological weapons, including Anthrax, botulism, toxins and possibly smallpox. He's amassed large, clandestine stockpiles of chemical weapons, including VX, Sarin and mustard gas.” - Don Rumsfeld, 9/19/02
“Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.” - Vice President Cheney, 8/26/02
“The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons…And according to the British government, the Iraqi regime could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes.” – President Bush, 9/26/02
“Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.” – President Bush, 1/28/03
“We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories.” -President Bush, on locating the mobile biological weapons labs, 5/29/03
“We know where the [WMD] are.” - Don Rumsfeld, 3/30/03
“I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it now.” - Colin Powell, 5/4/03
“Evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program…Iraq could have a nuclear weapon in less than a year.” - President Bush, 10/7/02
“Saddam is actively pursuing nuclear weapons at this time.” - V.P. Cheney, 3/24/02
“We do know that Saddam is actively pursuing a nuclear weapon.” - National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, 9/10/02
“The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” – President Bush, 1/28/03
“We found the weapons of mass destruction.” – President Bush, 5/29/03
"We know where the WMDs are.” – Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 3/30/03
“The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder.” – President Bush, 3/19/03
There's overwhelming evidence there was a connection between al Qaeda and the Iraqi government. I am very confident that there was an established relationship there." - Vice President Cheney, 1/22/04
“The regime of Saddam Hussein cultivated ties to terror while it built weapons of mass destruction.” - President Bush's UN speech, 9/23/03
“Iraq [is] the central front in the war on terror.” -President Bush's UN speech, 9/23/03
“You can't distinguish between al-Qaida and Saddam.” President Bush, 9/25/02
“There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al Qaeda ties.” – President Bush, 9/17/03
“We’re dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon.”
Deputy Secretary of Defense, Paul Wolfowitz, 3/27/03
“Iraq will not require sustained aid.” O.M.B. Director Mitch Daniels, 3/28/03
Mission Accomplished - Last Throes - Plan for Victory...
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04-01-2008, 08:34 PM
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Lesseeeee Now! 3,000 people lost their lives on 9/11, but we're losing 80,000 to 100,000 EVERY YEAR to MEDICAL MISTAKES, so what does the AWOL resident do? Why, he attacks a country that had absolutely no involvement in the attacks of 9/11, kills in excess of 1,000,000 innocent civillians in that country, loses over 4,000 American soldiers in the process, and still has no program to address the problem of preventable deaths due to medical mistakes.
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04-02-2008, 02:09 AM
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The Bush administration has been caught red-handed in manufacturing evidence of a “provocation” off the Iranian coast on Jan. 6, in which five small Iranian open-air speedboats were alleged to have threatened three massive U.S. guided missile warships. The U.S. Navy now admits that audio and videotape given to the media and widely publicized had been spliced together.
What is most ominous in all this is that no major U.S. politician or institution, or any international body, has denounced this dangerous and deceptive move, nor have they called for an inquiry or investigation. Neither the U.S. Congress—now in session—nor any of its committees, all of them now controlled by the Democratic majority elected on an anti-war vote, took action.
With almost half the U.S. Navy hovering off the coast of Iran, this war provocation must be challenged and confronted.
The media is giving wall-to-wall coverage to both Democratic and Republican politicians campaigning in primary elections. Each of these politicians could and should be confronted on where they stand on this Pentagon fraud and what steps they personally plan to take to pursue the matter.
The corporate media in the U.S., which gave the story days of coverage, should also be challenged.
For three days before Bush departed on an eight-day trip to the Middle East, the media were full of denunciations of Iran by Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and top generals and Navy commanders, all denouncing Iran for a “dangerous provocation” and “a threat to world peace” based on this phony incident.
On arriving in Israel, even as the story was unraveling, Bush again threatened Iran and ominously warned that “all options are on the table to protect our assets.”
The U.S. Navy has now admitted that the video of the “incident” between the U.S. warships and the Iranian patrol boats was heavily edited and that the threatening voice on it warning “You may explode” may not have belonged to any Iranian sailors. Yet this video was the basis for the latest threats against Iran.
Who manufactured this video? Who spliced together completely different sound and video footage? Who signed off on it? Who distributed it to all the major media?
It was viewed and commented on at the highest levels of the bush administration.
This is hardly the first time that a manufactured U.S. crisis has launched a war.
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Very well written story. A load of crap, but well written. Check out Care2 - the global network for organizations and people who Care2 make a difference! for the whole story on this U.S. Navy conspiracy...plus some great tips on non-toxic house cleaning.
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04-02-2008, 02:16 AM
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Tis guy has already been ID;ed as prankster. Thats the reality. The voice is one that has occured over many years. These cowards can fear "put put" boats all they want. Clearly the real men of the Navy are not so easily scared.
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Good typing is not inteligent its dexiteritous.
Everything you just said is total bullshit
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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04-02-2008, 10:14 AM
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Commissioner, you and others seem to talk about exaduration in the Bush Administration. Well you do the same. There is no where near HALF the US Navy in or near Iraq.
There are what 2 or 3 carrier groups in the area? Um we have I do believe 16 carriers floating on the worlds oceans right now. 3 is hardly half of 16. Plus you forget the Subs.
As for Bush lying about the reasons to go to war. Lets look at those shall we...one last time.
Saddam did not have direct involvement in 9/11. No one in the Bush camp says he did. What Bush said was he harbored, supported and help train terrorist. This is a war on terror remember, not a war on Iraq.
Saddam PAID the families of terrorist that blew themselves up in public places all over the world, not just Israel. Oh yea, you forgot about that.
Weapons of Mass Destruction. We know that some of those weapons entered Syria and Iran to avoid falling into the hands of the US. We know that France and Russia were selling Saddam military technology AGAINST the UN Sanctions. Which is the main reason France did not want us to invade. We know that Saddam used WMD against his own people in the early and mid 90's and was killing thousands of his own people for his own political pleasure.
We know a lot of things but you people twist the truth so it fits your own notion. It is NOT the war in Iraq. It is the War On Terror and it is attle for Iraq. And the 3000 Americans who lost their lives on 9/11 and the 4000 soldiers who have lost their lives in Iraq and the 100's of soldiers who have died in other theaters of war across the globe deserve better than what you and your ilk throw up.
Sure the Bush camp under estimated the response in Iraq. Doesn't mean it was a mistake to go in there. Iraq is not Vietnam, they want to have their country back and to fight for themselves. So get a grip at least for the children of Iraq who deserve to have their own free country.
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04-02-2008, 10:26 AM
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Democrats have been saying for 5 years Bush lied and still have no evidence. LOL
Saddam did not have direct involvement in 9/11. No one in the Bush camp says he did. What Bush said was he harbored, supported and help train terrorist. This is a war on terror remember, not a war on Iraq.
Saddam PAID the families of terrorist that blew themselves up in public places all over the world, not just Israel. Oh yea, you forgot about that.
By Richard Willing, USA TODAY
NEW YORK — A federal judge in New York City on Wednesday found Iraq among those liable for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and awarded nearly $104 million to the families of two men who died in the World Trade Center.
The ruling by U.S. District Judge Harold Baer marked the first time that a court had pinned some blame for the attacks on Iraq.
"That in itself is significant," said James Beasley, an attorney who represented the families.
"There's a bunch of (other) cases in process just waiting to see if we could convince a court (of Iraq's complicity). So now the principle is established, and we can get the families the money that they need badly."
USATODAY.com - Lawsuit ruling finds Iraq partly responsible for 9/11
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04-02-2008, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by reccles44
Commissioner, you and others seem to talk about exaduration in the Bush Administration. Well you do the same. There is no where near HALF the US Navy in or near Iraq.
There are what 2 or 3 carrier groups in the area? Um we have I do believe 16 carriers floating on the worlds oceans right now. 3 is hardly half of 16. Plus you forget the Subs.
As for Bush lying about the reasons to go to war. Lets look at those shall we...one last time.
Saddam did not have direct involvement in 9/11. No one in the Bush camp says he did. What Bush said was he harbored, supported and help train terrorist. This is a war on terror remember, not a war on Iraq.
Saddam PAID the families of terrorist that blew themselves up in public places all over the world, not just Israel. Oh yea, you forgot about that.
Weapons of Mass Destruction. We know that some of those weapons entered Syria and Iran to avoid falling into the hands of the US. We know that France and Russia were selling Saddam military technology AGAINST the UN Sanctions. Which is the main reason France did not want us to invade. We know that Saddam used WMD against his own people in the early and mid 90's and was killing thousands of his own people for his own political pleasure.
We know a lot of things but you people twist the truth so it fits your own notion. It is NOT the war in Iraq. It is the War On Terror and it is attle for Iraq. And the 3000 Americans who lost their lives on 9/11 and the 4000 soldiers who have lost their lives in Iraq and the 100's of soldiers who have died in other theaters of war across the globe deserve better than what you and your ilk throw up.
Sure the Bush camp under estimated the response in Iraq. Doesn't mean it was a mistake to go in there. Iraq is not Vietnam, they want to have their country back and to fight for themselves. So get a grip at least for the children of Iraq who deserve to have their own free country.
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Not sure what your beef is with me? At least I pretty much agree with the above.
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04-02-2008, 01:33 PM
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FedUp is to be ignored.
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