A. Caught Bin Laden ASAP and taken the wind out of the sails of terrorists and groups like Al Quida.

B. Not even come close to invading Iraq but continued to put a great deal of pressure on Saddam...it has been agreed by many experts (and conservative ones) that after 'Desert Fox' Saddam was in trouble and on borrowed time. Al Gore actually did serve in a combat zone in Vietnam on the ground (unlike George Bush) and would not have put our troops in harms way unless it was absolutely related to terrorism and the problems after 9/11.

C. Right now we would not be in a deficit and the dollar would be worth something with Al Gore being president...he would have kept 'pay as you go in place.'

D. We would be moving away from oil and the negociating with oil rich coutries froma position of strength instead of Bush getting rebuffed by ME leaders on oil prices last week.

E. Gore would have had a VP who is not such horrible decision maker and not making such horrible unilateral decisions...Gore would have been in charge, not the VP like it is now.

The list is a lot longer than this, Bush's precidency is quite indefesnible against what Al Gore would have done. Gore woul dhave been better than Clinton and Clinton was easily better then Bush.

F. Gore would have done nothing different than Clinton economically; we had eight years of growth and p[rosperity during the Clinton White House.

Yes, EASILY Al Gore would have been a far better president.

Whoa. Manufacturing evidence for an invastion of a soviegn country is in the best interest of America? This is only one of numerous large mistakes his administration has made. Have you been living under a rock? Ouch...

This is as an idiotic statement I can find about George Bush. From the very state he PANERED to religious right voters and then reneged a numerous promises. Again, do live under a rock?

'Having the guts and beliefs' to make a decision is one thing but absolutely making the same bad decision over and over for years and allowing totally incompetent people like Don Rumsfeld to dig a hole deeper over those years is being 'pig headed,' obstinate, and down right stupid. These are the facts, he and his administration got told by experts THEY APPOINTED to do things and they did not listen over and over. You really should do some reading, you really have not.

Thankful for:

A. A President and administration that are looked upon as incompetent on the international stage.

B. The economy having trouble now because of borrowing over and over and making corprate bail outs.

C. A Bush appointed Supreme Court that intervenes with rulings that are designed to help the rich CEO and hurt the free market economy. Talk about being unconstitutional...

C. Record inflation (over 4%, not seen since 1990) last year to the point the middle class cannot catch up even if given a cost of living increase at their own job (usually those increases are only 1% or 2%).

D. for an invasion that has produced and lot of dead American military who worked their butts off for a failed Bush policy in the ME.

President Bush isn't the only one that lied then.

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY): "In The Four Years Since The Inspectors, Intelligence Reports Show That Saddam Hussein Has Worked To Rebuild His Chemical And Biological Weapons Stock, His Missile Delivery Capability, And His Nuclear Program. ... It Is Clear, However, That If Left Unchecked, Saddam Hussein Will Continue To Increase His Capability To Wage Biological And Chemical Warfare And Will Keep Trying To Develop Nuclear Weapons." (Sen. Hillary Clinton, Congressional Record, 10/10/02, p. S10288)


Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA): "We Have Known For Many Years That Saddam Hussein Is Seeking And Developing Weapons Of Mass Destruction." (Sen. Ted Kennedy, Remarks At The Johns Hopkins School Of Advanced International Studies, Washington DC, 9/27/02)

Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI): "[Saddam] Has Ignored The Mandates Of The United Nations, Is Building Weapons Of Mass Destruction And The Means Of Delivering Them." (Committee On Armed Services, U.S. Senate, Hearing, 9/19/02)

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL): "One Of The Most Compelling Threats We In This Country Face Today Is The Proliferation Of Weapons Of Mass Destruction. Threat Assessments Regularly Warn Us Of The Possibility That North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Or Some Other Nation May Acquire Or Develop Nuclear Weapons." (Sen. Dick Durbin, Congressional Record, 9/30/99, p. S11673)

Sen. Russell Feingold (D-WI): "With Regard To Iraq, I Agree, Iraq Presents A Genuine Threat, Especially In The Form Of Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Chemical, Biological, And Potentially Nuclear Weapons. I Agree That Saddam Hussein Is Exceptionally Dangerous And Brutal, If Not Uniquely So, As The President Argues." (Sen. Russell Feingold, Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p. S10147)

Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA): "I Certainly Think [Saddam's] Developing Nuclear Capability, Which, Fortunately, The Israelis Set Back 20 Years Ago With Their Preemptive Attack, Which, In Hindsight, Looks Pretty Darn Good." (Fox News' "The Big Story," 8/27/02)

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No, that does not wash because it is well known the evidence that countered Bush from the inside was constantly headed off. Even experts who were Bush appointed had great reservations and that advice was ignored a basically buried. These are all statements based on what was being fed through the Pentagon BS machine that Rusted and Cheney had manufactured.

If your comparison held water then the legislators who approved the Tonkin Gold resolution to start the Vietnam War were lying too. Nope. That all started with LBJ and he gets the credit there just as Bush gets the credit here on the lies that started this invasion.

Trying to fight back against the Bush administration lies is rather disingenuous especially when he his own military 'conservatives' on the inside telling he was wrong. Bone up on this and try to place things in the right context.

First and foremost, all your quotes are from democrats. All they do is lie. It's like saying Bush wasn't the only one because the sky is blue. Second, please note that that all but one of your quotes is from '02. This matters because they're statements are directly related, and in the context of the "evidence" that Bush manufactured. So...

I'm going to help you out Red, you're new here, (I am fairly new myself) and I want to believe that down deep inside you're just a misguided conservative, and not a full blooded Bushbot.

*Crosses fingers*

Here is a post that really opened my eyes to just how bad the WMD paranoia was in congress prior to the War. Smitty, the posts author, really did his homework. They're all in there, telling the world about Saddam's agressive pursuit of WMD's. Please note that I am the last post at the bottom of that thread. I am waiting for Smitty to answer my questions. I want his opinion on this stuff. He seems like a fairly informed individual. Nothing personal, but until I hear back from him I'm going with treason.

The Truth About Iraq

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Nope, a badly informed guy. Recently I read the Thomas Ricks book and it puts all of this and MANY other things into context...and not based on Rick's opinions but numerous first hand reports from many in the military, the CIA, the Pentagon, and in Congress. Every quote from anyone has to be put in the context of the narrative of what happened from 9/11 on, this narrative has to be read specifically and not cherry picked like this.

....evidence that Bush manufactured.......Bwahahahahaha.

Did Bush "manufacture" the intel for other nations as well?

Which, if taken into context of what Clinton himself believed, would mean that Bush needed to have started manufacturing evidence before he even ran for the Presidency......before Operation Desert Fox.

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I don't know....but, they (Bush and the gang) certainly manufactured enough fear (with help from 9-11) to get their invasion....and then they were dumb enough to pull the trigger...

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Since we are going down nostalgia lane here....
Let's take a look at Cheney's views post Iraq one...

WASHINGTON -- In an assessment that differs sharply with his view today, Dick Cheney more than a decade ago defended the decision to leave Saddam Hussein in power after the first Gulf War, telling a Seattle audience that capturing Saddam wouldn't be worth additional U.S. casualties or the risk of getting "bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq."

But after 9/11 When we were attacked by Saudi Arabian & Egyptian citizens we decided to attack Iraq. Of course we sent in some obligatory bombs & special forces into Afghanistan to get Mr. 'dead or alive....

Anyway let's attack Iran.

We need to protect ourselves from the 'terrorists'.

Again it's a freakin' clown show.

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It would seem, since the CAPTAINS of those vessels who were obvoiusly threatened (after the US Cole, could we have blamed them if they'd blown those little boats out of the water?) I believe they showed GREAT patience in not attacking immediately.
With or without the accompanying shortwave broadcasts, ongoing DIRECTLY at the same time, (some coincidence, there) those little boats were acting inappropriately and are damned lucky that those captains didn't END them, as Reagan did during his admin when circumstances were similar. Reagan sent the Iranian "navy" to the bottom of the Persian Gulf.