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Old 01-14-2008, 03:15 PM
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Seems to me that you don't read or pay any attention to what is happing,

"The head clerk of the New Hampshire town of Sutton has been forced to admit that Ron Paul received 31 votes yet when the final amount was transferred to a summary sheet and sent out to the media, the total was listed as zero. The fiasco throws the entire primary into doubt and could lead to a re-count."

That enough proof for you?..or would you like me to keep reposting all this shit that you could find out with a simple search?
Living here in the NH, it still isn't making the news. Of all the people I have contacted, none of them can cooberate this tale. The only thing I have left to do is to contact the town clerk of Sutton him/herself. I could even drive there since it is so close but it hardly seems worth the trip when nobody else can say this story is true.
This false story spreading has got to stop be it small time or main stream media. No more stories unless you have irrefutable proof.
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Old 01-14-2008, 04:28 PM
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It appears that is it you sir, that fails to see the obvious...i once again make the point:


- More than half of New Hampshire's elections administrators hand count paper ballots in public at the polling place, with a public chain of custody. The rest of New Hampshire's towns and cities use Diebold voting machines to count votes in secret, with a secret chain of custody.

- Hand count and machine count locations, when calculated statewide, show an eerie statistic:

Clinton Optical scan 91,717 52.95%
Obama Optical scan 81,495 47.05%

Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%
Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%

- Two hand count towns reported "zero" votes for candidate Ron Paul to the media, even though they did have votes for him. The town of Sutton reported zero, but had 31 votes; the town of Greenville reported zero, but had 25 votes. The two towns had misreported results affecting exactly the same candidate in exactly the same way.

- Results in many locations arrived up to four hours late on Election Night, surprisingly, from machine-counted locations -- not hand count locations;

- A single private entity had control over coding for every memory card in New Hampshire. According to the contract for LHS Associates, this firm requires a right of access to any voting machine at any time, services the machines, maintains the machines and handles repairs, replacements and troubleshooting on Election Day.

- Ken Hajjar, a key employee of this sole source private entity, LHS Associates, has a criminal record for narcotics trafficking. The state of New Hampshire knew of this conviction but approved the contractor anyway. According to a complaint filed with the New Hampshire Attorney General, Hajjar had called the Dan Pierce radio show in 1999 and threatened to rig an election.

- A high number of "other" votes appeared in Manchester, where over 570 people apparently decided to go to the polls and choose none of the first tier OR second tier candidates.

- The voting system in New Hampshire was updated, but to a version that had been proven to be vulnerable in studies in Florida and California. Instead of upgrading to newer versions which at least claim to address known security vulnerabilities, New Hampshire chose to implement none of the beefed up procedures or upgraded versions that other states are using.

Citizens from many different states are now examining New Hampshire's ballot chain of custody, because if that is as weak as their voting machine controls, the recounts will just produce new questions.

You claimed days ago that you live there and that you would do such and such...etc..yet you post the same dribble again today. I really don't need to try and convince you about the fraud that has been taking place regarding Diebold election systems..there are far more credible people on the case already..as witnessed by a Retired F.B.I. special agent who has started a Federal RICO lawsuit and "We the people" foundation with another lawsuit.

You are simply here to cloud up threads with you baseless bullshit....Or this that part of your claim to fame?...you know...." Rod is the Coolest Most Politically Incorrect Conservative Black Man on the Planet"
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Old 01-14-2008, 04:50 PM
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Living here in the NH, it still isn't making the news. Of all the people I have contacted, none of them can cooberate this tale. The only thing I have left to do is to contact the town clerk of Sutton him/herself. I could even drive there since it is so close but it hardly seems worth the trip when nobody else can say this story is true.
This false story spreading has got to stop be it small time or main stream media. No more stories unless you have irrefutable proof.
This from the Union Leader, in New Hampshire:

Gardner OKs primary recounts
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Friday, Jan. 11, 2008


CONCORD – State officials say they will conduct a hand recount of Tuesday’s Democratic and Republican presidential primaries at the request of two minor candidates.

Ohio Democrat Rep. Dennis Kucinich, who received less than 2 percent of the vote, and Republican Albert Howard of Michigan, who received about 44 votes statewide, are expected to pay a $2,000 fee to start the process, state officials said.

►Kucinich says he'll ask for recount


“Mr. Howard has satisfied the requirements for initiating a statewide recount of the Republican Primary,” Secretary of State William Gardner said in a statement. Officials said they expected a check from Kucinich to arrive late Friday, satisfying his requirements for the request.

Both candidates agreed in writing late Friday to pay the full cost of the re-counts, Gardner said. Both could back out when they get the estimates, expected next week.

Candidates who finish more than 3 percentage points behind the winner must pay the estimated full cost of a re-count before it can begin. The cost is refunded if the requester wins or is shown to be within 1 percentage point of the winner.

Deputy Secretary of State David Scanlan said re-counts could start Jan. 16.

Kucinich cited “serious and credible reports, allegations and rumors” in requesting the Democratic re-count. Howard did not explain his request.

Scanlan said he is confident re-counts will verify the accuracy of the results.

The last time New Hampshire did a statewide re-count of a presidential primary was in 1980. It partially re-counted the 2004 general election at the request of Ralph Nader. Nader halted the re-count when partial results persuaded him the official count was accurate.
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Old 01-14-2008, 04:53 PM
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Red Flags on the New Hampshire Primary

1-12-08: Red Flags over New Hampshire
New Hampshire's 2008 primary election may prove to be the most fascinating presidential preference race in history.

- Both Democrat and Republican candidates have requested recounts

- More than half of New Hampshire's elections administrators hand count paper ballots in public at the polling place, with a public chain of custody. The rest of New Hampshire's towns and cities use Diebold voting machines to count votes in secret, with a secret chain of custody.

- Hand count and machine count locations, when calculated statewide, show an eerie statistic:

Clinton Optical scan 91,717 52.95%
Obama Optical scan 81,495 47.05%

Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%
Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%

- Two hand count towns reported "zero" votes for candidate Ron Paul to the media, even though they did have votes for him. The town of Sutton reported zero, but had 31 votes; the town of Greenville reported zero, but had 25 votes. The two towns had misreported results affecting exactly the same candidate in exactly the same way.

- Results in many locations arrived up to four hours late on Election Night, surprisingly, from machine-counted locations -- not hand count locations;

- A single private entity had control over coding for every memory card in New Hampshire. According to the contract for LHS Associates, this firm requires a right of access to any voting machine at any time, services the machines, maintains the machines and handles repairs, replacements and troubleshooting on Election Day.

- Ken Hajjar, a key employee of this sole source private entity, LHS Associates, has a criminal record for narcotics trafficking. The state of New Hampshire knew of this conviction but approved the contractor anyway. According to a complaint filed with the New Hampshire Attorney General, Hajjar had called the Dan Pierce radio show in 1999 and threatened to rig an election.

- A high number of "other" votes appeared in Manchester, where over 570 people apparently decided to go to the polls and choose none of the first tier OR second tier candidates.

- The voting system in New Hampshire was updated, but to a version that had been proven to be vulnerable in studies in Florida and California. Instead of upgrading to newer versions which at least claim to address known security vulnerabilities, New Hampshire chose to implement none of the beefed up procedures or upgraded versions that other states are using.


Citizens from many different states are now ex... More

1-10-08: Kucinich stepping into trap with recount?
The election integrity community is abuzz with news that candidate Dennis Kucinich will ask for a recount in New Hampshire, and Ron Paul fans have been pushing him to recount as well. Careful.

NEW HAMPSHIRE ELECTION INTEGRITY ADVOCATE NANCY TOBI IS CORRECT:

"We have no control over the ballot chain of custody and we have learned the pain from the 2004 Nader recount, in which only 11 districts were counted, chosen by a highly questionable person, and then nothing showed up. Now all we hear is how the Nader recount validated the machines."

As Tobi says, "A candidate asking for a recount may well be a tool used to 'prove' everything was okay and then that candidate will be further discredited."

I'll go further than that. The only way a recount makes any sense at all in New Hampshire is AFTER an assessment is made of the chain of custody issues. If the chain of custody isn't intact the recount won't be worth a cup of warm spit.

TOBI:

"This is high stakes.

"You do not walk into a battle ground not knowing where the snipers are, just because you were invited. Strategically, going into something like this where you have NO CONTROL is foolishness.

"And I say this as one of the strongest recount proponents of former times. Things I have come to learn and understand have changed my mind. The recount is someone else's game, not ours.

"In the recount, we have no control, and we have already lost 48 long hours of ballot chain of custody oversight.

"We need citizen control and oversight. This is not going to come from the recount. If the election was rigged...don't you think the riggers would have a backup Plan B for a rigged recount, knowing how easy it is to get a recount in NH?

No. It is time to take control. "

BLACK BOX VOTING:

The following is excerpted from our New Hampshire election protection information published in November 2007:

quote:Knowing that the greatest opportunities for election fraud are with insiders, this tells us something about what to examine first. If you are a person with inside access in New Hampshire, because any candidate can ask to recount any location, if you plan to manipulate the election you'll want to make sure you can achieve ballot substitution, ballot removal, or ballot stuffing. You need a strategy just in case someone asks for a hand count.

WHAT'S THE POINT OF A RECOUNT IF THE CANDIDATE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW...

1) The name of all companies that print ballots for New Hampshire elections... More
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Old 01-14-2008, 04:55 PM
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It appears that is it you sir, that fails to see the obvious...i once again make the point:


- More than half of New Hampshire's elections administrators hand count paper ballots in public at the polling place, with a public chain of custody. The rest of New Hampshire's towns and cities use Diebold voting machines to count votes in secret, with a secret chain of custody.

- Hand count and machine count locations, when calculated statewide, show an eerie statistic:

Clinton Optical scan 91,717 52.95%
Obama Optical scan 81,495 47.05%

Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%
Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%

- Two hand count towns reported "zero" votes for candidate Ron Paul to the media, even though they did have votes for him. The town of Sutton reported zero, but had 31 votes; the town of Greenville reported zero, but had 25 votes. The two towns had misreported results affecting exactly the same candidate in exactly the same way.

- Results in many locations arrived up to four hours late on Election Night, surprisingly, from machine-counted locations -- not hand count locations;

- A single private entity had control over coding for every memory card in New Hampshire. According to the contract for LHS Associates, this firm requires a right of access to any voting machine at any time, services the machines, maintains the machines and handles repairs, replacements and troubleshooting on Election Day.

- Ken Hajjar, a key employee of this sole source private entity, LHS Associates, has a criminal record for narcotics trafficking. The state of New Hampshire knew of this conviction but approved the contractor anyway. According to a complaint filed with the New Hampshire Attorney General, Hajjar had called the Dan Pierce radio show in 1999 and threatened to rig an election.

- A high number of "other" votes appeared in Manchester, where over 570 people apparently decided to go to the polls and choose none of the first tier OR second tier candidates.

- The voting system in New Hampshire was updated, but to a version that had been proven to be vulnerable in studies in Florida and California. Instead of upgrading to newer versions which at least claim to address known security vulnerabilities, New Hampshire chose to implement none of the beefed up procedures or upgraded versions that other states are using.

Citizens from many different states are now examining New Hampshire's ballot chain of custody, because if that is as weak as their voting machine controls, the recounts will just produce new questions.

You claimed days ago that you live there and that you would do such and such...etc..yet you post the same dribble again today. I really don't need to try and convince you about the fraud that has been taking place regarding Diebold election systems..there are far more credible people on the case already..as witnessed by a Retired F.B.I. special agent who has started a Federal RICO lawsuit and "We the people" foundation with another lawsuit.

You are simply here to cloud up threads with you baseless bullshit....Or this that part of your claim to fame?...you know...." Rod is the Coolest Most Politically Incorrect Conservative Black Man on the Planet"
First of all, I said I made calls and found no evidence. You seem to give evidence but it cannot be cooberated or verified.
Second, if such a thing were true then it would be out of the hands of any local cop or jurisdiction. Each town Clerk would be brought up on charges and would lose there ability to remain town Clerk. In the State of NH, being a Town Clerk pays very well and is somewhat prestigious.
I think you need to be able to get ALL your fact straight before you start flinging allegations and accusations.
Now if ANY of what you say is true, I will be able to uncover it. There is no huge conspiracy in this state involving Ron Paul.
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By the way, in NH Primary, it is legal for a non-resident to vote if they claim they will be moving to this state within that election year. Sad, but true.
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I believe you're wrong, though you might be correct about NH officials not being a great part of it. Some officials have already admitted baffeling descrepencies in their tally sheets, which have a reconcilliation box. The reconcilliations were done to match numbers which were wrong, meaning the burden now shifts to the perps to prove they didn't do it intentionally.
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besides..this thread is about the newsletters anyway..why don't we stay on point or does the Rev...need to derail every thread he posts in?
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Old 01-14-2008, 05:11 PM
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Hmm, I thought I was on point until you got off track. But be that as it may...
I also find it fascinating that no matter what is proven about Ron Paul, you people seem to just brush it off and still think of him as the Messiah. Sort of like when a major Black candidate is proven to be not so perfect, blacks will rally around him and blame every one around them.
Ron Paul has been proven to be anything less but the messiah for the American Constitution. But you and those over zealous supporters will not stop supporting him even if he is proven to be a murderer. Ron Paul is not the ideal candidate for a cause which is very noble and a cause in which I fully support. A return to the Constitution. But you hold Ron Paul up higher than the cause which is why you personally attack me and everyone else who is for the Constitution but not for Paul.
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Well, love him or hate him, he's the only chance we've got to win back our country. That's a fact, since the others R&D, are against the citizens of this country, while fully supporting Israel. Go figure........
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