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View Poll Results: Do Anti-War Films Result In More Deaths For Our Troops And Propaganda For Our Enemys?
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11-15-2007, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by StormanNorman
The difference is, Nathan, all of these movies were made by us from a pro-American, anti-enemy view point...to influence us. Did Japanese and/or German-made films have any impact on our motivations and thoughts about the war??? I doubt it. And that's the more valid comparison.
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HOW MANY ANTI WAR/GERMAN FILMS DID NAZI GERMANY MAKE IN WWII? NONE! THERE IS NO COMPARISON! IF NAZI GERMANI DID MAKE ANTI WAR/GERMANY FILMS YOU COULD BET YOUR ASS THAT WE WOULD HAVE USED THEM TO OUR ADVANTAGE! IF GERMANY HAD AN ANTI WAR CROWD WE WOULD HAVE PLAYED UPON THEM! IF GERMANS WERE CALLING IT AN ILLEGAL WAR WE WOULD HAVE USED THAT TO OUR ADVANTAGE!
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11-15-2007, 12:13 PM
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Any actions by Americans that end up in helping our enemys achieve their goals and destroying our troops and their mission is Treason!
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Fortunantly, Smitty, none of these film makers are going to be tried for treason. We strongly value our freedom of speech and dissent too much for a witch hunt like that. Besides, imagine the slippery slope that could lead us down....not good. Like I said, that was one of the tactics that brought the Nazis to power in Germany....first, smash and kill any notion of dissent....and you are on your way.
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11-15-2007, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45
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Do you think the films of WW2 starring John Wayne etc helped, hurt or had no influence on America's perception of the Japanese during WW2? What about those movies just before the war that were anti German. Do you think Ameicans went to those movies and never thought differently?
To hide your head in the sand about these movies is not only wrong its almost criminal.
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Based upon my memories of the time your talking about, I'd say those films reinforced the perceptions, created by the actual film footage shown before the movie. People were then, as they are now, fully capable of distinguishing between reality and the fiction of movies.
I will add that the old WW 2 movies were much better made than the blood and gore versions of today. At lest they had believable story lines.
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11-15-2007, 12:15 PM
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HOW MANY ANTI WAR/GERMAN FILMS DID NAZI GERMANY MAKE IN WWII? NONE! THERE IS NO COMPARISON! IF NAZI GERMANI DID MAKE ANTI WAR/GERMANY FILMS YOU COULD BET YOUR ASS THAT WE WOULD HAVE USED THEM TO OUR ADVANTAGE!
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That's because the Nazis had already ruthlesly crushed and killed all dissent and dissenters to their power....is that the kind of country you want to live in, Smitty? Not me, buddy.
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11-15-2007, 12:17 PM
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That's because the Nazis had already ruthlesly crushed and killed all dissent and dissenters to their power....is that the kind of country you want to live in, Smitty? Not me, buddy.
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WHO TRIED TO MAKE ANTI WAR FILMS IN GERMANY DURING WWII? WHO WAS KILLED FOR THESE FILMS? NO ONE! |
11-15-2007, 12:17 PM
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I thought Fahrenheit 9/11 was excellent. I particularly remember the part in which Moore outlined the connections between the Bush and Bin Laden families.
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11-15-2007, 12:17 PM
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I think a lot of it depends on the type of movie you're talking about. In Moore's movie, there was a re-buttal movie called "Fareinhype 9/11" which completely re-butted most if not all of Moore's ascertations. if you haven't seen it yet, you should. Something like "Redacted", I think will be very harmful to our troops because what I'm sure the movie does not tell you is that although it is based on a true story, the 2 soldiers who weere involved in the rape are spending the rest of their lives in jail for their actions. I find it offensive that there have been hundreds of thousands of American troops that have come and gone in Iraq and this is all DePalma has to write about? Not the daily heroism that these brave and selflless men and women have done every day? Bill O'Reilly has been covering this movie a lot and I learned that Mark Cuban (owner of the Dallas mavericks) was the money behind this film. He also has invested in a second anti-military movie. So, if you go to an NBA game this season where the Mavs are playing just bring a simple sign that says simply: "Support Our Troops". As O'Reilly said, that has nothing to do with whether you support or don't support the war in Iraq or Bush. It is that you support the troops. Unless some of you don't, then it doesn't really matter.
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11-15-2007, 12:19 PM
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I think a lot of it depends on the type of movie you're talking about. In Moore's movie, there was a re-buttal movie called "Fareinhype 9/11" which completely re-butted most if not all of Moore's ascertations. if you haven't seen it yet, you should. Something like "Redacted", I think will be very harmful to our troops because what I'm sure the movie does not tell you is that although it is based on a true story, the 2 soldiers who weere involved in the rape are spending the rest of their lives in jail for their actions. I find it offensive that there have been hundreds of thousands of American troops that have come and gone in Iraq and this is all DePalma has to write about? Not the daily heroism that these brave and selflless men and women have done every day? Bill O'Reilly has been covering this movie a lot and I learned that Mark Cuban (owner of the Dallas mavericks) was the money behind this film. He also has invested in a second anti-military movie. So, if you go to an NBA game this season where the Mavs are playing just bring a simple sign that says simply: "Support Our Troops". As O'Reilly said, that has nothing to do with whether you support or don't support the war in Iraq or Bush. It is that you support the troops. Unless some of you don't, then it doesn't really matter.
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O'Reilly has also admitted that he hasn't seen Cuban's movie.
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11-15-2007, 12:19 PM
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I thought Fahrenheit 9/11 was excellent. I particularly remember the part in which Moore outlined the connections between the Bush and Bin Laden families.
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Too bad it's all been proven to be nonsense. But hey, if you believe that then there's good book about a monkey who gets real curious and gets into lots of trouble. I read his stories to my son before bedtime. if you like, we'll set something up so you can believe that one as well. |
11-15-2007, 12:20 PM
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O'Reilly has also admitted that he hasn't seen Cuban's movie.
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I won't see it either but I know what the premise is. What's you're point? |
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