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Originally Posted by StormanNorman
There is some logic to your statement in bold...it makes sense....at least, for the insurgents that follow American politics....they want us to leave. So, I imagine there is truth to what you are saying....the question is how much truth.
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The enemy has one thing in common with the democrats of Pre NOV 2006. They both want us out of Iraq by any means nessecary. Every example and excuse the democrats have used has been exploited by the enemy. Remember Abu Graib? After Abu Graib was politisized time and time again the enemy responded by running an unheard of number of carbombs, rocket attacks, and mortar attacks as never seen before in that area. Remember the beheadding of that British guy? The video kept switching back and fourth to gitmo as they use our treatment to the detainees there as an excuse to behead an innocent man. Our enemys exploit our media and polititions by creating as much violence as possible in the areas of American intrest at the time.
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Originally Posted by StormanNorman
And again, Smitty, there are some wierd trends in that data you gave me....namely, the increase in attacks from the start of each year to the end of each year and, of course, the situation getting worse from year to the next.
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The attacks have increased everytime the polititions have had an eliction or was trying to pass legeslation on widthdraw from Iraq. Ofcourse their attacks go down slightly afterwards but they maintain their support for the most part. These guys run off of hate. Once recruited they maintain their numbers untill their will is broken or they have been defeated time and time again. This is why they dont go down after a surge of activity during the political seasons or after legeslation is done with in congress. There is little doubt that the terrorists goal is to influence america to get out of Iraq.
Terrorism: The illegal use of violence used to
sway public opinion through fear, in order to achieve an political or religious objective.
Translation: Make the war in Iraq as unsuccesful for America as possible through violence and murder of the Iraqi people untill the American will is broken and they are forced to leave by the will of its own people.
Is there any other way they can win?
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Originally Posted by StormanNorman
You want to claim that it is mainly driven by what happens here at the home front, e.g., support for the war. I don't think I buy that, Smitty. The elections may have some impact....but, the year-to-year trends I see don't suggest a large impact. Why is the violence gotten worse year by year? Again, I'm not sure you can correlate that with growing anti-war sentiment here in the US. Could there be other more significant factors? I remember Cat discussing Vietnam and claiming that the situation in Nam got worse and worse long before the public began turning against the war there.
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When our people and polititions voice so much dissent that the enemy publishes the information by the far left as a recruiting tool you know you have a problem. For example and example only. If Rosie Odonnal and Charlie Sheen says that Bush staged 9/11 to go to war with Iraq, the enemy would then print "America says bush planned 9/11". When our polititions speak of torture at Gitmo the enemy prints "American goverment says Troops are murdering and torturing detainees at Gitmo.
True Story: marines from 2/4 were anbushed while handing out candy and school supplys in a childrens school. The corpsman rushed into give first aid to the wounded children under the security of a squad of marines. Some marines were wounded and one died..... When we got to iraq to do a change over with them we came upon a mosque with propaganda all over the walls. There was a picture there of the 2/4 marines with dead children all around them that read "American Marines rape and slaughter Iraqi Children".
True Story: The first cheaply pirated DVD that I saw in Iraq was Ferinhight 9/11!
The enemy will take any propaganda that the American media will give them to help recruit and kill. The more Bush bashing propaganda the better. The more troops wrongfuly arrested the better. Remember that they dont get the reports of the troops being found innocent! But they will watch the movie Redacted!
Jackasses like this one doesent help!>>
Rep. Pete Stark: We’re Raising Kids To Get Their Heads Blown Off For The President’s Ausement - Say Anything
Rep Stark D Ca
""You don’t have money to fund the war on children. But you’re going to spend it to blow up innocent people if he can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the President’s amusement.""
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Originally Posted by StormanNorman
Why has the violence dropped in 2007? I think in part because of Patreaus....and his counter-insurgency ideas. However, there is another factor mention by Petreaus and others....Iraq has become more and more segregated. Neighborhoods in Baghdad that used to be intermingled are not very segregated....so, you possibly have out of sight...out of mind going on as well. Is that a good thing, a bad thing, or both??
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The violence has droped because of the surge and the rejection of AlQuieda in the Anbar Provence. How much bad news have you heard about Iraq in the news lately? Not much? Maybey alittle Blackwater? But not much. We are suceeding in Iraq and the enemys will has been broken after their buddys in the Anbar Provence started rattin them out! We are using their low moral to our advantage and capitolising on it! The enemy is finding it harder and harder to murder Iraqi citizens and thus they have a harder time trying to rule by fear!
Any past secratarian violence that you have heard of is verry limited. The muj are simply murdering people and familys with black masks on and leaving behind propaganda of the opposit religion. Secratarian violence was never really a problem untill the American media ran it as an reason why we couldent win. After that all they needed to do was blow up a few mosques and murder a few familys and "BAM" you have secretarian vilence! I have talked with christians in Ar Ramadi "the capitol of the Sunni Triangel". If the fact that the christians are still alive isnt evedence enough of how passive Iraqis are nothing is! You should ask service members about the secratarian violence. They will laugh at you!
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