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07-20-2008, 08:40 PM
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Did Christianity borrow ideas from other religions?
You'll discover that ancient cultures around the Mediterranean shared standard ideas about Gods and their powers and place in the universe—and that Christianity simply adopted those ideas, and applied them to Jesus.
Christianity was a product of its time and place.
Greg 
POCM is about a question you probably never thought about: Did Christianity borrow ideas from other religions? If you're like me, you grew up thinking it didn't. We were taught Christianity began with a big bang—with Jesus. Jesus changed the world with ideas about God that were new and revolutionary.
It ain't so. Our Christianity doesn't come from Jesus and a big bang. It comes from the accumulation of legends and theologies by people who believed in Jesus. The origin of those ideas wasn't Jesus. The origin was the myths, legends, philosophies, prejudices, literature, superstitions, and primitive cosmology of ancient western culture. Christianity was a product of its time and place.
That's what POCM is about.
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07-20-2008, 08:42 PM
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We'll start thinking about Christian borrowing by asking a simple question: By what criteria can we decide what ancient godman stories were new and original, and what ancient godman stories were myths built up from the religious ideas of their day?
 Jesus, third century AD
 Athens, sixth century BC
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07-20-2008, 09:03 PM
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Here's what I mean..
<< When Osiris is said to bring his believers eternal life in Egyptian Heaven, contemplating the unutterable, indescribable glory of God, we understand that as a myth.
When the sacred rites of Demeter at Eleusis are described as bringing believers happiness in their eternal life, we understand that as a myth. >>
<< In fact, when ancient writers tell us that in general ancient people believed in eternal life, with the good going to the Elysian Fields and the not so good going to Hades, we understand that as a myth.
<< When Vespatian's spittle healed a blind man, we understand that as a myth.
When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we understand that as a myth. >>
<< When the Pythia , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, and over and over again for a thousand years, the prophecies came true, we understand that as a myth.
When Dionysus turned water into wine, we understand that as a myth. When Dionysus believers are filled with atay, the Spirit of God, we understand that as a myth. >>
<< When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we understand that as a myth.
When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we understand that as a myth. >>
<< When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal , we understand that as a myth. woman
When Dionysus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we understand that as a myth. >>
<< When Scipio Africanus (Scipio Africanus, for Christ's sake) is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we understand that as a myth.
So how come when Jesus is described as
the Son of God,
born of a mortal woman,
according to prophecy,
turning water into wine,
raising girls from the dead, and
<-------- healing blind men with his spittle,
and setting it up so His believers got eternal life in Heaven contemplating the unutterable, indescribable glory of God, and off to Hades—er, I mean Hell—for the bad folks...
how come that's not a myth?
And how come, in a culture with all those Sons of God, where miracles were science, where Heaven and Hell and God and eternal life and salvation were in the temples, in the philosophies, in the books, were dancing and howling in street festivals, how come we imagine Jesus and the stories about him developed all on their own, all by themselves, without picking up any of their stuff from the culture they sprang from, the culture full of the same sort of stuff?
POCM answers these questions by looking at what ancient people wrote about ancient religion. What the ancient evidence will show you is that ancient western culture had conventional ideas about Gods and their powers and place in the universe. Christianity adopted those ideas.
Ancient Pagans believed in various levels of divinity, with miraculous powers, coming down and going up to its home in the sky. Divine beings cared about people, listened to and answered their prayers. Gave them the power to prophesy. Even gave them a better deal in the eternal life that comes after death.
Christianity is a product of it's time and place. Christianity is an ancient Pagan religion.
View original source here.
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07-20-2008, 09:04 PM
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Did Christianity borrow ideas from other religions?
WHO GIVES A RATS ASS.......FUCK YOU COOKIE PARKER :-)
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07-20-2008, 09:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ONEWHITEDUCK
Did Christianity borrow ideas from other religions?
WHO GIVES A RATS ASS.......FUCK YOU COOKIE PARKER :-)
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Looks like there's a spook in my thread.
SHOOO SPOOK.......SHOOOO! 
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07-20-2008, 09:13 PM
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Since the idea of Christian-Pagan similarities sounds way weird to just about everyone, most of POCM is set up to help you discover the simple facts for yourself. Readthe ancient sources and decide for yourself if the Christian godman story is similar to the Pagan godman stories.
You'll discover that the real Pagan-Christian similarities are not details of the myths. Each ancient religion had its own myths.No other Pagan godman was born on December 25th, in a manger, with a virgin mother named Mary, and shepherd outside singing.
What Pagan religions shared with each other and with Christianity was not myths but religious ideas—basic notions about the shape of the universe, the human soul and its eternal destiny, and about Gods and their powers and place in the universe. The Christian and Pagan myths are similar because they were made up to fit religious ideas that are similar.
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07-21-2008, 10:47 AM
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Sounds Like A Kookie Parker...god Hating Thread Doghnut
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That goes for Ideas, institutions as well as individuals :-I
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