Israel is a great nation

ken.e · #41 (**permalink**) 02-28-2007, 06:24 PM

You are a Jint fan so I guess that explains it

killerfornia · #42 (**permalink**) 02-28-2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ken.e

You are a Jint fan so I guess that explains it

Explains what? The simple truth I just revealed, that you fail to see?

It's funny you mention this, considering the Dodgers fan base is considered to be the most dangerous one. If you are the opposing teams fan, you will get a beating or be shot. If you show up in a pink shirt you are going to get a broom up your ass.

Dodgers Baseball!

RASTAMAN · #43 (**permalink**) 02-28-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kix

You would be the one who has no clue and you're the poster child for dolthood. Do you r-e-a-l-l-y want to get started on the history of Israel again? You know you won't win that arugment.

Point is not knowing the complete 60 some odd years of history btween Israel and the Arabs states surrounding Israel, while stating your pro-Israel views does not give a balance argument to the thread.

MidEaster · #44 (**permalink**) 02-28-2007, 07:47 PM

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It wasn't the homeland of 200 million people - far from it. Also, at least half of the Jews in Israel are from the Middle East.

Maybe so, but if you go back one or two generations most of them are European.

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They had to go (many of them) there after they were kicked out of the Muslim countries. Seems that quite a few Jews were kicked out of their homelands.

In Baghdad a bomb went off in the synagogue that killed some Jews. The ones that survived were told to leave Iraq and come to Israel. At first, it was thought that it was the Iraqi government, but later they had found that it was actually Israel who ordered this to happen in order for Israel to have a more "Jewish population". I posted a video proof a long time ago here, and if you want I'll post it again.

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The expulsions had a lot to do with those countries gaining their independence as they happened at about the same time.

If you're talking about nationalism, this happens everywhere.

MidEaster · #45 (**permalink**) 02-28-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ken.e

You are a Jint fan so I guess that explains it

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Originally Posted by killerfornia

It's funny you mention this, considering the Dodgers fan base is considered to be the most dangerous one. If you are the opposing teams fan, you will get a beating or be shot. If you show up in a pink shirt you are going to get a broom up your ass.

Dodgers Baseball!

You guys are both wrong, the Doggies and the "Jints" both suck.

Areyouforreal · #46 (**permalink**) 02-28-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by George O Well

>>>Since your contention that Israel was attacked on the day it was formed has nothing to do with anything, who cares about proving you wrong?

well since the UN were the one that formed Israel, no they did nothing to instigate an attack.
Why didn't the Muslims attack the UN since it was their fault to begin with?

MidEaster · #47 (**permalink**) 02-28-2007, 08:05 PM

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How ignorant are you to possibly believe that? Is the media pro-Israeli because all the major media outlets have a Jewish CEO? That proves absolutely nothing. If you weren't so blind, you would notice many Jews themselves who oppose what Israel is doing, and those are usually the powerful Jews.

Hmmmm....Maybe they're on to something...

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The press continuously makes apologies for terrorists, labeling them ridiculously as "freedom fighters".

I would consider this more of a derogatory labeling than one of "sympathy", but to each his own...

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I am certain you have heard the press replace the word "terrorist" with "militant" and "gunmen".

Anybody could be called a terrorist, just as anybody can be called a "militant". The Israeli gov't could be called a terrorist, as can Al-Qaeda, the American gov't, Hamas, Fatah, Hizb Allah etc. Calling someone a terrorist is an opinion, it isn't a fact.

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Paints a nicer picture, huh? Speaking of pictures, the media always chooses to show pictures of Palestinians, whether they are throwing rocks at tanks or stare at the destruction of their home or just dead civilians, instead of the pictures showing dead Israeli civilians.

I have actually never seen actual footage in the media of a Palestinian kid throwing a rock at a tank, I've only seen it on websites (not to be confused with the media). You say that the media shows dead Palestinian civilians, and that's unfair to Israel? Excuse me, but when the Palestinians come into the Israeli owned territories, search through houses, and set a "curfew" on a place they really don't even own (the West Bank) while at the same time killing a guy, don't you think we deserve to know that and to see what happened? It's not like the media is sooooo evil to Israel. When was the last time any article called Israel a terrorist? Now when was the last time an article called Hamas or any other political party of the Arab states a terrorist?

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Just recently, a bakery was bombed in Eilat. The photo gallery showed a picture of the place, and that was all. There was no close up of the dead victims, no people pulling out the dead people, crying, sobbing over their lost ones. If the opposite happened, that's all you would see. I'm not even going to start on how misleading and false pictures are!

To tell you the truth, I never even heard about this, and if I'm wrong I'm sorry, but has anyone else? By "just recently", do you mean a couple of weeks or a couple of years? If I haven't even seen anything in the media about this, then how could I possibly see pictures of Israelis carrying each other out of the rubble? And trust me, maybe (and that's such as strong word) the American media doesn't show Israeli amublances carrying out the dead, but the Arab channels sure do. And that's the ARAB channels.

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How about the often false numbers and false facts provided by the media which end up hurting Israels image. There are too many. And when they correct themselves, its too late. The damage has been done. AP's 2003 top 100 pictures over the past 5 years since 1998..6 were from the Arab-Israeli conflict, all 6 were Palestinian casualties. I fail to see how you could label the media as pro-Israeli. And not just the US media, worldwide as well.

Like Kix and somebody else said, stats may be manipulated by the guy who "announces" them, if you will. Is this just a couple of false facts too?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...o_fact_box.jpg

MidEaster · #48 (**permalink**) 02-28-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Areyouforreal

well since the UN were the one that formed Israel, no they did nothing to instigate an attack.
Why didn't the Muslims attack the UN since it was their fault to begin with?

Since when did the UN have a "country" to attack?

MidEaster · #49 (**permalink**) 02-28-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fenianforever1689

That is my opinion.

Hopefully everyone knows that I oppose religious government, so leaving the Zionists aside,

Why should I despise Israel as much as many do?

Exactly, this is your opinion. Why should we try so hard to explain to you the Arab-Israeli conflict, when you are so blinded to believe that you (and Israel's government policies) are right?

MidEaster · #50 (**permalink**) 02-28-2007, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Areyouforreal

Actually he s correct Rasta. The day Israel was formed they were attacked.
Prove me wrong I dare you.

If you want to get official, yes ISRAEL (the country officially) did get attacked. What you don't seem to know is by whom. Egypt, at the time of the attacks had a puppet government that was actually led by the British. It was the same puppet government that ordered the attacks on Israel. Jordan's military at the time was lead by Glob Pasha, a British general. Iraq's government was like the Egypt's, a puppet of the British. The Iraqi military was sent by the puppet government that was led by the British to Israel...with no orders. No orders at all. "Maku Amauer"-It means No Orders and is phrase that is still chuckled at by Iraqis today. All 3 of these countries were part of the 5 that attacked Israel. What did they have in common? They were all led by the BRITISH.