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Old 02-18-2007, 08:32 AM
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The war on terrorism & Iraq are two different things.
The fact that there are a bunch of extremists fighting our military in Iraq is because we chose to CREATE a front to fight our never ending self created enemy. That is sickening & psychotic.

Our leaving or our staying is all apart of a policy of stupidity at it's most banal
& a policy of unmitigated selfish small minded ignorant Evil at it's most extreme.
In reality it's a bit of both but it is not the War on Terrorism. It is the Construct on terrorist Distraction.
It was & is not the wisest use of our resources. On the War On Terror.

To stand there with the argument that the Neocons, the lock step think tank lemming frat boys & the Administration stirs up a hornets nest then says what are you going to do about it, is quite simply a pricks mentality. The treason is the Prick that stirs up a self created perpetual war & then tells any & everybody that challenges the prick that they are aiding & abetting the hornets.
I have a simple response to pricks, fuck you.

The Treason is our taking most of our resources out of Afghanistan & putting them in Iraq.
The Treason is the President saying I don't know where Ben Laden is, I don't really care.

Fucking hornet stirring pricks. Why don't you arm chair warriors go fight your hornets nest. The rest of the rational human race is trying to get us back to reality & stay on point against cult extremists. Not creating something for them to self legitimize themselves.

It's fucking psychotic & so are all that suck in this mental puss.

Great post Crown......there is always two sides to every story; history will be the final judge----the Iraq war and occupation will prove unnecessary and how just how incompetent and criminal Bush was in invading Iraq.
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Old 02-18-2007, 08:33 AM
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Old 02-18-2007, 12:03 PM
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The author of that piece, Ralph Peters, has a particular brand of insanity. Another article of his includes a map which purports to solve the problems of the Middle East:




"If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky that would be like the
splendor of the Mighty One... I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds..." (cue evil laughter)



The man should stick to fiction, and cut back on the psychedelic enhancers.
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Old 02-18-2007, 01:33 PM
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To stand there with the argument that the Neocons, the lock step think tank lemming frat boys & the Administration stirs up a hornets nest then says what are you going to do about it, is quite simply a pricks mentality. The treason is the Prick that stirs up a self created perpetual war & then tells any & everybody that challenges the prick that they are aiding & abetting the hornets.
I have a simple response to pricks, fuck you.

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Wow! That's a lot of cliche's that you threw out there. Some of which are valid and others that are just boring. So, if it makes you happy, I'd like just to make sure that I understood where you were coming from.


The war on terrorism & Iraq are two different things.
The fact that there are a bunch of extremists fighting our military in Iraq is because we chose to CREATE a front to fight our never ending self created enemy. That is sickening & psychotic


How do you differentiate the differences between what's going on in Iraq and "The War On Terroism" in general? I am however sorry to inform you that we did not create insurgents specifically for this war. Nor did we create the IED's that continue to main and cripple the men and women in the Armed Forces. Nor for that matter did we create the massacre of out troops in 1983 or the WTC bombing in 1993. I don't believe we are responsible for the U.S.S. Cole bombing or the bombings of our embassy's in India or the 9/11 attacks. If you believe that Bush is responsible for the 9/11 attacks then don't continue to read this post because because it will go stragiht over your head. I don't believe that terrosits are a "self created enemy". This goes to the heart of why people like you are so dangerous in your denial in accepting that there are people in this world more concerned about killing you and ending this country as we know it. Maybe you can tell Spain, Russia, Australia, England, Egypt, Israel, Bali and Japan that they also have created the enemy as well. They have all been attacked since 9/11/01.

Our leaving or our staying is all apart of a policy of stupidity at it's most banal
& a policy of unmitigated selfish small minded ignorant Evil at it's most extreme.
In reality it's a bit of both but it is not the War on Terrorism. It is the Construct on terrorist Distraction.
It was & is not the wisest use of our resources. On the War On Terror.


Hmmm. I don't really even understand what you're trying to say here. It sounds more like you got this from some blog from some writer who is just pissed off and is venting more to be pissed off than anything constructive. I would agree with you trhat the plan following the inital invasion was stupid. I think that's what you meant. We didn't guard the borders to Iran or Syria, we handcuffed our own soldiers who couldn't fire unless fired upon etc... The Democrats have long wanted change and they got some of it. A new Defense Secretary, new Generals and a new plan. Shame that after getting some of the changes they had sought are now refusing to support the changes they demanded in the first place. Maybe it's me but I trust that gray-faced dude with all those pretty medals than I trust Nancy Pelosi. But in any event, if you could be a bit clearer on this point I'd appreciate it.

To stand there with the argument that the Neocons, the lock step think tank lemming frat boys & the Administration stirs up a hornets nest then says what are you going to do about it, is quite simply a pricks mentality. The treason is the Prick that stirs up a self created perpetual war & then tells any & everybody that challenges the prick that they are aiding & abetting the hornets.
I have a simple response to pricks, fuck you.


Okay, this is the second paragraph of your in row I don't understand. I personally still don't know exactly what a "neo-con" is. Everyone seems to have a different opinion or version of that so please clarify. Where I think you get a bit emotion al is possibly wrong is this: I want disention in this country. It what makes it America and not Cuba. I want those in power held accountable. I want government officals to be scrutinized and I want it questioned when any President takes us to war. However, there is a difference between questioning the validity of a war and slandering our troops as people like Dick Durbin and John Kerry continue to do. There is a difference of being against war and rooting for America to lose as Rosie O'Donnell and Sean Penn have articulated. Are they traitors? I don't know. I don't think outside of acting either of them are very bright. I'm not in their heads so it's not for me to say. However, the idea that this response to not only 9/11 but other attacks on Ameican interests is again "self created" makes we want tor request to you that you read a bit of history.

The Treason is our taking most of our resources out of Afghanistan & putting them in Iraq.
The Treason is the President saying I don't know where Ben Laden is, I don't really care.


The planning of this war certainly wasn't great. Everybody, including the President, understands that. However, where you are incorrect is that the troops that were removed from Afganistan were almost immediately replaced with fresh troops. I know this because one of my best friends was one of those troops and still can't understand where "some people" get their information from.
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Old 02-18-2007, 01:38 PM
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Of course this article comes from the Post... Fox News in print is all it is. So steve k we should keep dumping money and lives down a bottomless pit? WITH NO OVERSIGHT?

Your Neocon administration started this war... it has nothing to do with the liberals wanting results. You should want results as well.

You are just tool of the machine... keep drinking the koolaid
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Old 02-18-2007, 01:39 PM
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The party of defeat

By Robert J. Caldwell
February 18, 2007

Democrats have struggled for a generation to escape the crippling public perception that they are soft on national security. Majority Democrats in the House of Representatives have now revived their party's electoral curse.

The House vote Friday for a Democratic leadership resolution opposing President Bush's plan to reinforce U.S. troops in Iraq was lopsidedly partisan. Nearly all Democrats voted for it. All but a relative handful of Republicans voted against it.



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An American soldier stands guard during a search operation last week in Baghdad.
Yes, it is a nonbinding resolution, meaning it has no force in law. Bush is free to ignore it, as he already has said he will. And, yes, it contained political cover language expressing support for American troops in Iraq. Thus, as virtually all Democrats proclaimed during the House's four days of debate on the resolution, Democrats can claim that they “support the troops.”

But House Democrats are now on record as formally opposing the troops' mission – a potentially decisive effort to stop the violence in Baghdad and defeat the Sunni insurgency in Anbar province.

It is no exaggeration to say that the fate of the entire American campaign in Iraq rides on this mission, and on the parallel effort to prompt political reconciliation among Iraqi factions. Unless U.S. and Iraqi forces can at least greatly diminish the terrorist carnage convulsing Iraq's capital city, the paramount U.S. objective of creating a stable, democratic Iraq won't be achieved. The complementary struggle in Anbar province is equally decisive. Defeating the Sunni insurgents and their allies, the terrorists of al-Qaeda in Iraq, is vital to the hopes of stabilizing Iraq sufficiently to permit American forces to begin withdrawing.

The Democrats' passage of a nonbinding resolution opposing the troop reinforcements that Bush and his Iraq commander, Army Gen. David Petraeus, say are essential to American success is damaging enough. If Democrats now use their power over appropriations to defeat the troop surge before it can be fully implemented, the political risk to Democrats will be greatly compounded.

Starkly put, Democrats risk making “Bush's war” their war, and then losing it.

If you think Democrats wouldn't be that foolish or reckless, think again.

Rep. John Murtha, the blustery Pennsylvania pol and anti-war ally of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, is already pledging to use his power as chairman of the House Armed Services Committee's appropriations subcommittee on defense to stop the surge by restricting the deployment and funding of U.S. forces.

Here's what Murtha said in an interview Thursday with the MoveCongress.org Web site, which represents a coalition of anti-war groups:

“They (the troops) won't be able to continue. They won't be able to do the deployment. They won't have the equipment, they don't have the training and they won't be able to do the work. There's no question in my mind ... we're going to stop this surge.”

Does Pelosi, smarter and smoother than Murtha, agree?

“I fully support that,” Pelosi said of Murtha's remarks.

What's building, then, is not only a political crisis for the Democratic Party but a constitutional clash over the president's, any president's, express powers as commander in chief of America's armed forces.

The Constitution wisely vests the power to command the armed forces in the president, not Congress. That's especially true in time of war. If Bush decides that sending another 21,500 troops to Iraq is necessary, that's his call under the Constitution. Congress' constitutional authority lies in deciding how much to appropriate for the military. Deputizing 435 House members and 100 senators as armchair generals to micromanage the movement of troops and the military conduct of a war isn't in the Constitution for a reason. It couldn't possibly work and would be folly to attempt.

But that, apparently, is what Pelosi, Murtha and the House Democratic leadership intend. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, scrambling Friday to push a comparable resolution in the Senate, seems to be similarly misguided.

Have the Democrats learned nothing from history?

In 1973, a heavily Democratic Congress voted to prohibit U.S. air support for Cambodia's pro-American army, then desperately fending off the communist Khmer Rouge insurgents. In early 1975, Congress cut off all U.S. military aid for Cambodia.

Predictably, Cambodian government forces were soon defeated by the Khmer Rouge, then backed by Communist China and North Vietnam.

What followed was one of the great horrors of the 20th century – the genocidal slaughter by the Khmer Rouge of 2 million Cambodians, roughly 40 percent of Cambodia's population.

In 1974-75, an even more heavily Democratic Congress drastically cut U.S. military and economic assistance to our ally South Vietnam, even as the Soviet Union was illegally flooding North Vietnam with heavy weapons. The subsequent North Vietnamese invasion of South Vietnam overran our ally, took Saigon, and promptly imposed a Stalinist dictatorship that resulted in the deaths and imprisonment of hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese.

The bipartisan Iraq Study Group, constantly, but selectively, invoked by Democrats last week as a blueprint for a phased U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, also lent support to a “temporary surge” in U.S. forces if deemed necessary. In addition, the ISG report warned ominously of the dire consequences – Iraq as a failed, terrorist state, a destabilized Middle East, and spreading regional conflict – of a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq that many Democrats favor.

If Pelosi, Murtha and Reid succeed in crippling the U.S. military effort in Iraq, and thereby contribute to defeat and disaster, Democrats would spend another generation rightly deemed weak and feckless on national security.

Caldwell is editor of the Insight section and can be reached via e-mail at robert.caldwell@uniontrib.com
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Hey Steve k... how does it feel to be on the wrong side ALWAYS. You neocons had your chance AND BLEW IT.

Let us grown-ups try to fix you MESS.
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Hey steve... how about you contact each and everyone of the victims of your leader's vanity war in person?

You don't care about these men... you just don't want to be wrong. AND YOU ARE WRONG,,, wrapped up in so much of it there is little that can be done remedy the problem.

By the way... each time you don'e respond to my posts just shows how big of a coward you are, along with your fellow neocons.

Sad time isn't for you idiots isn't it?
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Steve K. - This is where I get confused. You named quite a number of direct attacks by terrorists on the US. Why then tie up all of our resources on Iraq and Sadam, instead of going after those that have DIRECTLY attacked us? I would think that if you felt such outrage for those attacks, as I do, you would want everything to go into catching and bringing to juctice the perpertrators of such action.
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Old 02-18-2007, 01:58 PM
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I think that this war will go down in history as a pure vanity war for bush (for is father boo hoo) and a chance for war mongers like Cheney to serve up billions of dollars to his friends in the private sector, and to make Americans THINK that there was a war terrorism being fought, when actually we have created the vacuum that will draw in moderates whose distrust of Americans will breed a new generation that will attack us. Period.
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