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    http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=18675

    November 28, 2009
    Carter and Obama: Same policies, same fate.
    Jimmy Carter’s presidency offers a lesson in how the purest intentions can lead to the most disastrous results.

    By BRET STEPHENS, WSJ

    An idealistic president takes office promising an era of American moral renewal at home and abroad. The effort includes a focus on diplomacy and peace-making, an aversion to the use of force, the selling out of old allies. The result is that within a couple of years the U.S. is more suspected, detested and enfeebled than ever. No, we’re not talking about Barack Obama. But since the current administration took office offering roughly the same prescriptions as Jimmy Carter did, it’s worth recalling how that worked out.

    How it worked out became inescapably apparent 30 years ago this month. On Nov. 20, 1979, Sunni religious fanatics led by a dark-eyed charismatic Saudi named Juhayman bin Seif al Uteybi seized Mecca’s Grand Mosque, Islam’s holiest site. After a two week siege distinguished mainly by its incompetence, Saudi forces were able to recapture the mosque at a cost of several hundred lives.

    By any objective account—the very best of which was offered by Wall Street Journal reporter Yaroslav Trofimov in his 2007 book “The Siege of Mecca”—the battle at the Grand Mosque was a purely Sunni affair pitting a fundamentalist Islamic regime against ultra-fundamentalist renegades. Yet throughout the Muslim world, the Carter administration was viewed as the main culprit. U.S. diplomatic missions in Bangladesh, India, Turkey and Libya were assaulted; in Pakistan, the embassy was burned to the ground. How could that happen to a country whose president was so intent on making his policies as inoffensive as possible?

    The answer was, precisely, that Mr. Carter had set out to make America as inoffensive as possible. Two weeks before Juhayman seized the Grand Mosque, Iranian radicals seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, taking 66 Americans hostage. They did so after Mr. Carter had refused to bail out the Shah, as the Eisenhower administration had in 1953, and after Andrew Young, Mr. Carter’s U.N. ambassador, had described the Ayatollah Khomeini as “somewhat of a saint.”

    They also did so after Mr. Carter had scored his one diplomatic coup by brokering a peace deal between Egypt and Israel. Today, the consensus view of the Obama administration is that solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would ease tensions throughout the region. But worthy though it was in its own right, peace between Egypt and Israel was also a fillip for Sunni and Shiite radicals alike from Tehran to Damascus to Beirut to Gaza. Whatever else the Middle East has been since the signing of the Camp David Accords, it has not been a more peaceful place.

    Nor has it been any less inclined to hate the U.S., no matter whether the president is a peace-loving Democrat or a war-mongering Republican. “Everywhere, there was the same explanation,” Mr. Trofimov writes in his account of the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad. “American institutions, declared a student leader in Lahore, had to be burned down because ‘the Holy Kaaba had been occupied by Americans and the Jews.’”

    On the other hand, among Muslims inclined to favor the U.S., the Carter administration’s instincts for knee-jerk conciliation and panicky withdrawals only had the effect of alienating them from their ostensible protector. Coming as it did so soon after Khomeini’s rise to power and the revolutionary fervors which it unleashed, the siege of Mecca carried the real risk of undermining pro-American regimes throughout the region. Yet American embassies were repeatedly instructed not to use their Marines to defend against intruders, as well as to pull their personnel from the country.

    “The move didn’t go unnoticed among Muslim radicals,” notes Mr. Trofimov. “A chain of events unleashed by the takeover in Mecca had put America on the run from the lands of Islam. America’s foes drew a conclusion that Osama bin Laden would often repeat: when hit hard, America flees, ‘dragging its tail in failure, defeat, and ruin, caring for nothing.’” It is no accident, too, that the Soviet Union chose to invade Afghanistan the following month, as it observed a vacillating president who would not defend what previously were thought to be inviolable U.S. strategic interests.

    Today, President Obama likes to bemoan the “mess” he inherited overseas, the finger pointed squarely at President Bush. But the real mess he inherited comes straight out of 1979, the serial debacles of which define American challenges in the Middle East just as surely as the triumphs of 1989 define our opportunities in Europe. True, the furies that were unleashed that year in Mecca, Tehran and elsewhere in the Muslim world were not of America’s making. But absence of guilt is no excuse for innocence of policy.

    Pretty soon, Mr. Obama will have his own Meccas and Tehrans to deal with, perhaps in Jerusalem and Cairo. He would do well to cast a backward glance at the tenure of his fellow Nobel peace laureate, as an object lesson in how even the purest of motives can lead to the most disastrous results.

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    Sincerely, I don't believe in Carter's "pure motives". Politician cannot make carrier, especially presidential carrier, and remain naive. As we learned from first post of this topic, the money is likely more hard reason, than naivety.

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    Carter had terrible intell on Iran in the late 1970s.. Everyone who was providing information was on the inside of the Shah's circle... particularly American advisors to the Shah. They sluffed off the student grievances.

    Had you ASKED them right before the revolution, they would have said.. the Palavi empire will last 1,000 years.

    The insta pundits haven't done their homework.

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    Jimmy Carter
    he was is and always gonna be a wancker
    **********Kill the religious B4 he kills you**********

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    Quote Originally Posted by theodd1out View Post
    Jimmy Carter
    he was is and always gonna be a wancker
    I disagree......

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    http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default...=178&nid=20230

    Wednesday, December 23, 2009 Israel Today Staff

    Was Jimmy Carter's apology to Jews genuine?

    Former US President Jimmy Carter surprised many earlier this week when, after decades of antagonizing Israel, he published a letter of apology to Jews around the world for "stigmatizing" the Jewish state.

    Carter's outbursts and accusations against Israel and his acceptance of Hamas and other terror groups are well known. His 2006 book "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," which laid the bulk of the blame for the lack of peace on Israel, was seen as the last nail in the coffin of a relationship that ostensibly began positively at Camp David in 1978.

    So, Carter's letter of apology struck many as odd, and on Tuesday it was revealed there may indeed have been ulterior motives.

    Just one day after Carter's letter was published, his grandson, Jason Carter, announced that he is planning a run for the Georgia state senate, with aspirations of a much grander political career. Having his grandfather tainted as a "Jew hater" would have greatly hindered that career.

    Both Carter and his grandson denied that the apology had nothing to do with Jason's upcoming electoral campaign, but the timing and the absolute reversal of the former president's earlier sentiments have raised many questions.

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    It's no surprise, that politician is practical. Just like his long-term anti-Zionist stance had practical motives, so his current twist has practical background. The sin of Carter is that he disguised himself as "Human rights defender". Carter was and remains weak, immoral politician.

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    Jews are never satisfied...that's why they're Jews..always complaining, whining and kvetching...never happy...they wouldn't be happy if they stole all Palestine and the Palestinians disappeared...they'd find something else to whine about!

    But I never knew this..here's something I bet you didn't know..

    http://www.slate.com/id/2238708/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eann View Post
    Jews are never satisfied...that's why they're Jews..always complaining, whining and kvetching...never happy...they wouldn't be happy if they stole all Palestine and the Palestinians disappeared...they'd find something else to whine about!

    But I never knew this..here's something I bet you didn't know..

    http://www.slate.com/id/2238708/


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    yeah
    i knew that because you started another thread with the same link

    i get it
    youre not kosher so youre into spam

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoare View Post
    yeah
    i knew that because you started another thread with the same link

    i get it
    youre not kosher so youre into spam
    Well, did you know it or not?


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    "There's nothing magical about the 'success' of jews -- they're simply a highly organized and networked gang of thieves and murderers that have been perfecting their craft for over 2,000 years."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eann View Post
    Well, did you know it or not?


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    I would venture to say that if you ask any Jewish person who is not Ultra Orthodox or Hasidim, what Nittle Nacht was, you would get a blank stare. I guess you only garnered what you wanted to out of the article....as usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoare View Post
    yeah
    i knew that because you started another thread with the same link

    i get it
    youre not kosher so youre into spam
    Edithann seems to suffer from something akin to internet Tourette syndrome. She just can't help repeating the same articles over and over and over again. Actually it appears that she gets some sort of perverse pleasure out of that (wink wink, nod nod)
    "...if life is going to exist in a Universe of this size, then the one thing it cannot have is a sense of proportion." - Trin Tragula

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