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Old 10-17-2006, 09:35 PM
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Well the Israelis apparantly have no problem with it. So maybe you should rethink your position.
To me it shows a commitment to doing positive things, while on the other hand the terrorist element is only commited to destruction and death
Oh, you're absolutely sure the Israeli's have no problem with it? I wouldn't count on that Ken. I believe the first jihad against the Jews in Israel was because they prayed at the Western Wall and they pretty much wiped a bunch of Arabs up for thinking they could stop them. The ONLY reason the Israeli's have maintained their tempers over the Arabs demand for absolute control over the Temple Mount is because they believe that by doing so they would prove to the world that they want peace. But why do you think there has been such a disagreement about Israel completely packing up and moving out of Jerusalem? Because they have limits to how much control they’re willing to allow the Arabs to have over their HOLIEST site.
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Old 10-17-2006, 09:48 PM
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Yes I am quite sure that the Israelis support the Kingdoms custodianship of the Mosque over any other groups, heck King Hussein even kissed greiving Israeli mothers feet.......And building permits are quite hard to come by in Israel unless you are ethier Jewish or The king of Jordan (see the article about the new mineret)

You also say Israel allows this custodianship because they want to apear to want peace...I thought that they did actually want peace?
Anyhow the fact is that Muslim will never vacate the holy sites in Jerusalem.and the Jews will not ethier nor will the Christians...at this time in history no body should be trying to force anyone out of their holy sites...It is unethical. Peace does not come without sacrifice. The sacrifice for all parties involved is to learn to live with eachother
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:32 AM
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Yes I am quite sure that the Israelis support the Kingdoms custodianship of the Mosque over any other groups, heck King Hussein even kissed greiving Israeli mothers feet.......And building permits are quite hard to come by in Israel unless you are ethier Jewish or The king of Jordan (see the article about the new mineret)

You also say Israel allows this custodianship because they want to apear to want peace...I thought that they did actually want peace?
Anyhow the fact is that Muslim will never vacate the holy sites in Jerusalem.and the Jews will not ethier nor will the Christians...at this time in history no body should be trying to force anyone out of their holy sites...It is unethical. Peace does not come without sacrifice. The sacrifice for all parties involved is to learn to live with eachother
Speaking of unethical. How do you feel about the Muslims there not allowing anyone to pray on the Temple Mount but Muslims? Do you think they would be more convincing in their claims to want peace with Jews and Christians if they actually allowed the other faiths to worship at our HOLIEST site? How do you think it would go over if all of a sudden someone found 2000 year old book that said Mecca is a holy site to Jews or Christians and took armies in to Saudi Arabia, tore down the great mosque and built a new Temple, and then refused to allow Muslims to pray there any longer? That is what Muslims have done on the Temple Mount and it's NOT even a true holy site for Islam. I personally believe it's time for the Muslims over there to start learning what they preach... peace.
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Old 10-18-2006, 01:28 AM
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Speaking of unethical. How do you feel about the Muslims there not allowing anyone to pray on the Temple Mount but Muslims? Do you think they would be more convincing in their claims to want peace with Jews and Christians if they actually allowed the other faiths to worship at our HOLIEST site? How do you think it would go over if all of a sudden someone found 2000 year old book that said Mecca is a holy site to Jews or Christians and took armies in to Saudi Arabia, tore down the great mosque and built a new Temple, and then refused to allow Muslims to pray there any longer? That is what Muslims have done on the Temple Mount and it's NOT even a true holy site for Islam. I personally believe it's time for the Muslims over there to start learning what they preach... peace.
Talk about sour grapes, NOT a true holy site for Islam?
That is baloney ALQUDS is a holy site for Muslims..you do not believe Islam is a 'true' religion.I understand that but you cannot tell Muslims what is and is not holy to us. It is not your place.....The site of the AlAqsa mosque BTW was being used as a garbage dump by the Byzantine Christain emporers before the Muslims conquered it.. a little FYI .I already know what type of response I will get from you...more propaganda from people who hold a grudge against Islam
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I can see you feel threatened by Islam itself KIX and not by the terrorists, do not fear the truth, embrace it.
Do not be one who goes to exravagent lengths in pathetic attempts to discredit Islam.
If you are happy with your faith keep it. I do not know the Christian view of the matter but in Islam GOD is the judge.
The conquest of Jerusalem about 1300 years ago the Muslims defeated Christian armies not Jewish.
Can you honestly say that for the past 1300 years the Christian West has treated their Jews well? No, thats why YOU FEEL GUILTY, and gave them a state on Arab land. Israel is there now, they need a 2 state solution immediatly to preserve the 'Jewish" charecter of their state. Thats why they are building a wall........Jews have lived among Muslims since the begining of Islam and held very high positions in many Caliphates most notably Spain.
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Speaking of unethical. How do you feel about the Muslims there not allowing anyone to pray on the Temple Mount but Muslims? Do you think they would be more convincing in their claims to want peace with Jews and Christians if they actually allowed the other faiths to worship at our HOLIEST site? How do you think it would go over if all of a sudden someone found 2000 year old book that said Mecca is a holy site to Jews or Christians and took armies in to Saudi Arabia, tore down the great mosque and built a new Temple, and then refused to allow Muslims to pray there any longer? That is what Muslims have done on the Temple Mount and it's NOT even a true holy site for Islam. I personally believe it's time for the Muslims over there to start learning what they preach... peace.
The Israeli government also only allows 40 year old and up Muslims to pray at our own Mosque......The Israelis keep themselves off our Mosque because it is in their best interest. It is thir troops who patrol the gates not ours.
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Old 10-18-2006, 02:15 AM
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Talk about sour grapes, NOT a true holy site for Islam?
That is baloney ALQUDS is a holy site for Muslims..you do not believe Islam is a 'true' religion.I understand that but you cannot tell Muslims what is and is not holy to us. It is not your place.....The site of the AlAqsa mosque BTW was being used as a garbage dump by the Byzantine Christain emporers before the Muslims conquered it.. a little FYI .I already know what type of response I will get from you...more propaganda from people who hold a grudge against Islam
You didn't answer either of my questions Ken.
1. Do you, or do you not believe it is right for the Muslims in Jerusalem to refuse to allow anyone else to pray there?
2. What if someone did the same thing in Mecca that Muslims have done in Jerusalem?
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Old 10-18-2006, 02:33 AM
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Talk about sour grapes, NOT a true holy site for Islam?
That is baloney ALQUDS is a holy site for Muslims..you do not believe Islam is a 'true' religion.I understand that but you cannot tell Muslims what is and is not holy to us. It is not your place.....The site of the AlAqsa mosque BTW was being used as a garbage dump by the Byzantine Christain emporers before the Muslims conquered it.. a little FYI .I already know what type of response I will get from you...more propaganda from people who hold a grudge against Islam
What about the agia sofia Catheral in Instanbul. Muslims have descrated this holy site not onyl painting over it's pricelss icons but turnig this very site into a mosque. And to add insult to injury the raise 4 pillars around the site and have been telling everyone that this site was built by turks. Looks like muslims aren't as inocent as you beleive them to be. There has been a effort i would say in the last 20 or so years by the orthodox christians to make the The building back into the church and to transfer it back to the custody of the Orthodox church. Pretty much creating a vatican for the orthodox church. But instead the muslims have decided to turn it into a larger toursit attraction and are actuallly profitting from THE HOLLIEST SITE IN THE ORTHODOX Christian CHURCH.
I cant imagine the outrage if christians or jews where in the postion to do this at the Alquds mosque. You sure are a hypocrite. Im not bringing this up
to start a online battle of who did what to who over the last 1500 years. Because what is in the past is in the past. But all people and religions need to respect the individuals right to bow his head to the god of his choice. Even if it may be the devil himself.
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Old 10-18-2006, 02:48 AM
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The Israeli government also only allows 40 year old and up Muslims to pray at our own Mosque......The Israelis keep themselves off our Mosque because it is in their best interest. It is thir troops who patrol the gates not ours.
First off, your Mosque was built on top of the Temple Mount in order to desecrate the Temple. And it was not being used as a garbage dump, the builders of the mosque took archiological findings and threw them in the dump. There have been countless pieces of evidence that the Muslims are the ones destroying the Temple Mount in their effort to claim every Holy site to Jews and Chrsitians as their own. On March 30, 2005, the southern wall of the Temple Mount was found to have been the target of vandals. The word "Allah" in approximately 1 foot tall Arabic script was found newly carved into the ancient stones. The vandalism was attributed to a team of Jordanian engineers and Palestinian laborers in charge of strengthening that section of the wall. The strengthening wouldn't have had to take place except for the destruction the Palestinians were doing on the other side of the wall to remove artifacts there and build another room on their mosque. The discovery caused outrage among Israeli archaeologists and many Jews were angered by the “graffiti” at Judaism’s holiest site. The latest Muslim encroachment to the Temple Mount is at the “straight joint” and the Ophel road at the southeastern corner of the Temple Mount. The “straight joint” is a masonry seam marking the end of the pre-Herodian Temple Mount and the beginning of Herod’s extension of the wall southward; the masonry in the extension abuts the masonry to the north and is not interlocked with it. This was first excavated by Charles Warren in the 19th century, and then by Kathleen Kenyon, who stopped because of the outbreak of the 1967 war. Two Muslim cemeteries, one located north of the straight joint. The area south of the straight joint has been declared an archaeological park. It has no longstanding history as a cemetery, but new Muslim graves have now been filling this area because they know if they bury their dead there, they can later claim it as yet another Muslim holy site!

But it's okie dokie for them to destroy the HOLIEST SITE to Jews, isn't it?

And of course it is in the Jews best interest to comply with the demands of the Waqfs!! Because allowing others to pray there would cause riots, and more violence by the Muslims. That's called terrorism Ken. And it's not just the Israeli troops that are "guarding" the Temple Mount. The Muslim Waqfs follow Christian tourists visiting the Temple Mount all the time to make sure they don't pray. If they do, they demand the Israeli troops arrest them. How is this a "House of Prayer for all Peoples" Ken? How respectful is that Ken? How respectful is it that they are destroying the Holiest site in the world to Jews and Christians.

You can claim it's holy to Muslims till the day the Lord returns, but this is nothing but a disgusting land grab of Jewish and Christian Holy Land. Everywhere you look anymore some Muslim is claiming holy ownership over someplace or something. Every building, tree, rock and piece of dirt on earth is holy to you guys and by God nobody better think of touching your holy sites or there will be more violence and bloodshed.

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I can see you feel threatened by Islam itself KIX and not by the terrorists, do not fear the truth, embrace it.
Do not be one who goes to exravagent lengths in pathetic attempts to discredit Islam.
If you are happy with your faith keep it. I do not know the Christian view of the matter but in Islam GOD is the judge.
The conquest of Jerusalem about 1300 years ago the Muslims defeated Christian armies not Jewish.
Can you honestly say that for the past 1300 years the Christian West has treated their Jews well? No, thats why YOU FEEL GUILTY, and gave them a state on Arab land. Israel is there now, they need a 2 state solution immediatly to preserve the 'Jewish" charecter of their state. Thats why they are building a wall........Jews have lived among Muslims since the begining of Islam and held very high positions in many Caliphates most notably Spain.

Actually Ken i beleive it's the islamic nations that is afraid of Christanity and any other form of organized religion. If'e the muslims wheren't afraid of the power of christ they would let cristians practice there faith openly and in peace without the fear of prosecution or o death. Wasn't it earlier this year that an afgani man who converted to christianity was arrested and was facing death if he didn't convert to islam. Wasn't islam forced onto to reportes in exchange for there lives.

The question is why are muslims so protective of islam. What are they so afraid of. If islam is so great then why not let people choose who they would like to great them in the after life.
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