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10-16-2006, 02:58 PM
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The link you give is just for buying that book. It doesnt say anywhere on the page how many casualties we suffered after WW2 in either Japan or Germany. When I first read your post claiming that there was no fighting in Germany or Japan following the respective surrenders of each, I was chomping at the bit to tell you about the Japanese soldiers throughout the pacific who refused to believe that their nation had surrendered. They thought it was a trick by the Americans and they fought on for many years. I am not as well educated on the subject of post war German resistance, but I was aware of its existence. I cannot believe that during our entire occupation of both of those nations that not a single American soldier was killed. Sounds like bullshit to me. Perhapse any soldiers killed after the war was officially over are not listed as casualties of combat, but were instead considered matters of law enforcement.
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Well, Cap, they reference a RAND study that did the research for DoD. The purpose of the study was to compare many different US occupations in the past, what seemed to work, what didn't, etc. and the study claims that their were no American casualties due to hostile fire after the surrenders in both Germany and Japan.
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10-16-2006, 07:07 PM
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When I first read your post claiming that there was no fighting in Germany or Japan following the respective surrenders of each, I was chomping at the bit to tell you about the Japanese soldiers throughout the pacific who refused to believe that their nation had surrendered. They thought it was a trick by the Americans and they fought on for many years. I am not as well educated on the subject of post war German resistance, but I was aware of its existence. I cannot believe that during our entire occupation of both of those nations that not a single American soldier was killed. Sounds like bullshit to me. Perhapse any soldiers killed after the war was officially over are not listed as casualties of combat, but were instead considered matters of law enforcement.
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Cap,
Most people have heard the stories about some Japanese soldiers hiding out on some tiny Pacific island until as late as the 1960s...that's pretty crazy. Anyway, I don't know how much violence/death they caused (if any), but, not to split hairs, that wouldn't be considered part of the occupation of Japan.
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10-16-2006, 07:33 PM
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Well, Cap, they reference a RAND study that did the research for DoD. The purpose of the study was to compare many different US occupations in the past, what seemed to work, what didn't, etc. and the study claims that their were no American casualties due to hostile fire after the surrenders in both Germany and Japan.
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Surprise, surprise. Once again your stupidy is shining through:
Japanese holdouts in the Pacific
www.wanpela.com/holdouts/list.html
German Werewolf's
www.talkingproud.us/International090103.html
You really should check your sources before you open your mouth. You will still look like a moron, just not an idiot. 
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10-16-2006, 07:39 PM
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Gee Dizzy, who should I believe, a study by RAND (you know....lots of PhDs and high profile people...former ambassadors, etc., a true government think tank who is given many high-profile studies) or talkingproud....who are these whack jobs????
This wasn't one of your better posts, but I still hold you in high regard for all the help you gave me earlier. 
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10-16-2006, 08:14 PM
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Gee Dizzy, who should I believe, a study by RAND (you know....lots of PhDs and high profile people...former ambassadors, etc., a true government think tank who is given many high-profile studies) or talkingproud....who are these whack jobs????
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Hi Storman
You asked for a link. I PROVIDED A LINK. You may not agree with it but that doesn't make it go away. Turn off The Simpsons and try some research.
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10-16-2006, 08:25 PM
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Hi Storman
You asked for a link. I PROVIDED A LINK. You may not agree with it but that doesn't make it go away. Turn off The Simpsons and try some research.
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But I love the Simpsons. Try this:
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/wwii/Occ-GY/ch18.htm
This is part of the Army’s “Historical Series” of reports.
A quote from Chapter 18:
"The army-type occupation was comprehensive and showed the Germans that
they were defeated and their country occupied. This type of occupation
was presumably capable of squelching incipient resistance since none
was evident."
Diz, here's your homework assignment, find an actual casualty list or count for post-WWII Germany from an official source, e.g., USDoD or something. Personally, I consider the RAND study official (since it was DoD sponsored), but apparently you're not satisfied.
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10-16-2006, 08:40 PM
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Hey Diz, I found another one.
http://www.carlisle.army.mil/cgi-bin...c.pl?docnum=40
Notice the "army.mil". In chapter 11, you'll find the quote:
"Critical food shortages remained the most serious aspect of the
economic situation and the attitude of the population was one of
bitterness, hopelessness and despair. Although no immediate
alleviation of the food situation was seen by the Germans, no acts of
violence or serious disturbances were reported in the US Zone of
Occupation during the year beginning 1 July 1946."
Hey, I like this research thing.
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10-16-2006, 08:43 PM
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But I love the Simpsons. Try this:
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/wwii/Occ-GY/ch18.htm
This is part of the Army’s “Historical Series” of reports.
A quote from Chapter 18:
"The army-type occupation was comprehensive and showed the Germans that
they were defeated and their country occupied. This type of occupation
was presumably capable of squelching incipient resistance since none
was evident."
Diz, here's your homework assignment, find an actual casualty list or count for post-WWII Germany from an official source, e.g., USDoD or something. Personally, I consider the RAND study official (since it was DoD sponsored), but apparently you're not satisfied.
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Hi Storman,
Perhaps you can enlighten us as to what YOU feel are acceptable sources of information. A small list would be fine.
A simple Google on post WW2 resistance will provide you with hours of enjoyment. Why you may even find some that fit YOUR criteria. 
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10-16-2006, 08:52 PM
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Hi Storman,
Perhaps you can enlighten us as to what YOU feel are acceptable sources of information. A small list would be fine.
A simple Google on post WW2 resistance will provide you with hours of enjoyment. Why you may even find some that fit YOUR criteria. 
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Hi Dizzy, like I said in the post above...something official. I just provided you two sources that are both "army.mil" meaning they come directly from the horse's mouth. RAND is a big hitter inside DoD circles, too.
Anyway, Dizzy, this is getting boring....let's call a truce, shall we? Maybe....just maybe we can agree that the post-WWII occupations in Germany and Japan were significantly less dangerous to our soldiers than the current one in Iraq. If not, the some what less dangerous? If not even that, then oh well...let's move on. 
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