Why Arabs Lose Wars

Still Dizzy · #11 (**permalink**) 10-11-2006, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Kix

What???

You mean we didn't win WWI against Austria-Hungary, Germany, Bulgaria and the Ottoman Empire...
and we didn't win WWII against Germany, Italy and Japan... well dang!!

Rast uses the Democratic version of history..........He pulls it out of his ass.

Still Dizzy · #12 (**permalink**) 10-11-2006, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ken.e

be forewarned I have a very very sharp tongue

Hi Mutt,

Well you are partially correct. Your mind is as sharp as a rock.

RASTAMAN · #13 (**permalink**) 10-11-2006, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Kix

What???

You mean we didn't win WWI against Austria-Hungary, Germany, Bulgaria and the Ottoman Empire...
and we didn't win WWII against Germany, Italy and Japan... well dang!!

Fighting Arab Armies does not compare to fighting a German or Japanese Army--but I will say an Italian Army is on par with an Army from the Middle East.

You are comparing Apple and Oranges if you are comparing Bush's Cluster Fuck in Iraq to WWI and WWII.

RASTAMAN · #14 (**permalink**) 10-11-2006, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Still Dizzy

Rast uses the Democratic version of history..........He pulls it out of his ass.

Are you saying there is no history on the final out come of foreign invading armies who become occupiers in the Middle East???

Now let's see you pull this one out of your ASS? Come Dizzy spin a lie?

Still Dizzy · #15 (**permalink**) 10-11-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RASTAMAN

Are you saying there is no history on the final out come of foreign invading armies who become occupiers in the Middle East???

Now let's see you pull this one out of your ASS? Come Dizzy spin a lie?

Hi Rast,

Hate to confuse you with your own words but exactly WHERE did you specify "Middle East?"

StormanNorman · #16 (**permalink**) 10-11-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Capitalist Pig

An insurrection that is based upon nationalism is very hard to defeat, but by no means is it impossible. Not only has it happened many times before all over the world, but it has been done several times by the good ole US of A. Any of you history buffs recall the Phillipine insurrection that immediately followed the Spanish American war after we broke our promise to grant independence to the Phillipines if they helped us kick out the Spanish? I doubt that many of you Dems are students of history....... otherwise you wouldnt be dems haha I kill myself.... Anyways, not only did we crush their rightious rebellion, we did it rather expeditiously without the liberal American hating newsmedia spending all their time explaining to the Philipino rebels how they should go about defeating us, and about how they will win if they can just hold on long enough for the previously mentioned liberal media to destroy America's will to fight. Now I'm not saying that we were right to do this thing to the Phillipino people, I only bring it up to illustrate that it is possible to quell a nationalist uprising. Our task in Iraq is far simpler because the uprising against us is NOT fueled by nationalism, but rather it is fueled by a mistaken belief (supported by liberals) that our goal in Iraq is not one with the interests of the Iraqi people at heart.

Cap,

I agree that nationalism played a larger role in the Phillipines that in Iraq (although there is more nationalism or sectarianism than you probably realize). However, I think it is overly simplistic to say that because of this our task is mush simpler in Iraq. There are other factors: the geo-politics of the region, the tribal and religious culture, Arab television, the non-homogeneity of the Iraqi people, etc.

Most conflicts have many dimensions; nationalism is just one of them. I personally don't think the current conflict in Iraq is very simple or very easy.

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Originally Posted by Capitalist Pig

This is a belief that as much as possible is propagated by the mostly non Iraqi core group of terrorists. Iraqi's however are witnessing our actions, and comparing them with the actions of the terrorists. We have not done the things that the terrorists told the Iraqi people we would do. We have instead built schools, bridges, power plants, etc.... and the Iraqi people are not so stupid that they dont know who it is that is blowing these things up. America rebuilt Iraq's oil pipelines so that Iraq's primary resource could once again put money in their treasury that for the first time would be used to build things for the people, rather than palaces for Hussein. But alas, keeping the oil revenue coming into the Iraqi treasury has been difficult because of the very people who claim to be helping them. When Iraqi husbands, uncles, brothers and sons try to find work, rebuilding their country, or joining the new governments security forces, they are killed by bombers from Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria.

I've said this many times before; the vast majority of the insurgents are Iraqi, not foreigners. And at the current time, far more Iraqis are being killed by sectarian violence than by outsiders.

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Originally Posted by Capitalist Pig

Democrats think the Iraqi people are idiots. Democrats think that the Iraqi's blame the United States for everything that they endure. But I think the Iraqi people are intelligent. I think the Iraqi people see who their real enemy is, even though the liberal American media tries to hide that truth from them. The Iraqi's are to smart for you liberals, and I think that more and more Iraqi's are seeing the truth of who their enemy is.

This last paragraph makes it sound like you are running for office in Iraq. What makes you say that "more and more Iraqi's are seeing the truth of who their enemy is"? Because it looks more and more to me that they see themselves as the enemy.

SINO-SOVIET · #17 (**permalink**) 10-11-2006, 11:18 PM

Yes you can defeat a nationlist insurrection,but the War in Iraq is much more than that.It is an ideal of Islamic Facism and religous zealots that they should fight us,and a religous ideal is much harder to stomp out than the idea of defending your country.Nationlism means nothing to the truly devout muslim.He seeks only to fufill his duties to his God.If anything,the more you fight against a religous people,whether the war be about religon or not,they will see it as proof that they are correct in their fight against 'persecution'.As we learned in Vietnam,you cannot defeat an enemy who is absolute in their faith,whether it be the peoples revolution or an imagined Holy War

Still Dizzy · #18 (**permalink**) 10-12-2006, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SINO-SOVIET

Yes you can defeat a nationlist insurrection,but the War in Iraq is much more than that.It is an ideal of Islamic Facism and religous zealots that they should fight us,and a religous ideal is much harder to stomp out than the idea of defending your country.Nationlism means nothing to the truly devout muslim.He seeks only to fufill his duties to his God.If anything,the more you fight against a religous people,whether the war be about religon or not,they will see it as proof that they are correct in their fight against 'persecution'.As we learned in Vietnam,you cannot defeat an enemy who is absolute in their faith,whether it be the peoples revolution or an imagined Holy War

The exception being the Crusades, where you got your asses run out of Europe, and pushed back to your sand box?

SINO-SOVIET · #19 (**permalink**) 10-12-2006, 05:36 PM

Silly Dizie,dont you remeber? The arabs counter-attacked and conquered Europe,then the world.I remember like yesterday,cause me and Hitler went to the flowershop to find roses for Anne Frank...i think

Silverhair · #20 (**permalink**) 10-12-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RASTAMAN

Interesting read, makes one wonder why the news media build up Armies in the Middle East into something they are not. Example, Saddam "Republican Guard" - No Relation to the GOP

or Saddams 500,000 man army 3rd largest in the world! during the run up to the first gulf war.

Simple answer to that. Go to DU and you will find occasional posts of lefties talking about how great and invincible some other anti-US military is. I have observed lots of posts saying that Iran is unbeatable. Some have claimed that China could launch an invasion of the US and take us over. Others have talked about how great NKs forces are.

Lefties want a US military defeat and are willing to believe that anybody can defeat us. So you hear all that stuff about how great our enemies are.