10 Ways the Leftists Failed at Making Iraq Another Vietnam

1. Denying there was an enemy in Iraq. As in Vietnam, the leftists in the United States have continued to bury their heads in the sand and deny that there even is an enemy other than the opposing political party right here inside the U.S. They continue to claim that we brought the terrorist war on ourselves with overstated cliché’s such as “the chickens have come home to roost” and never seem to run out of “peace at any cost” claims that we need to understand these people and realize that our alleged corporate gluttony for power and money are the real reasons they hate us. This tactic failed because Americans have the availability to much more information today than they had during Vietnam. Unlike during Vietnam when we had to depend on the media for information about the war, how we got there and why we should have never gone, the internet has made it possible for us to now find worldwide news and information that clearly dispels the lie that “there is no enemy here” and “we never should have gone”.

2. Deceiving the American public about how anything good that is happening in Iraq. Through the leftist mainstream media, Americans are fed an constant supply of “oh woe is me” and “death and destruction”, but little or nothing is ever said about the number of communities in Iraq that have fresh drinking water for the first time ever, or all the new hospitals, clinics, schools and other facilities that have been established since we got there. Oh and let us never, ever hear the truth from the leftists about the WMD that WERE found in Iraq (not by inspectors mind you) because that might just validate one of the MANY reasons for the war in the first place. The liberals have distorted the FDR concept of “We have nothing to fear, but fear itself” by claiming that the war in Iraq and even the war on terror are the result of the Bush administration’s fear-mongering where there is no reason to fear anyone or anything. What they failed to remember is that even though Roosevelt did all he could to stay out of the European War, once the U.S was attacked on our soil (Pearl Harbor) Roosevelt managed to put aside his anti-war policy and took a strong stance against those who attacked us by initiating The Manhattan Project. The results of that project, which won WWII, are to this day fodder for the liberals who claim it an affront to humanity.

3. President Bush and most conservatives fully recognize the media’s over blown and distorted negative coverage of the war in Iraq and realize that it is attempting the same tactic it used during Vietnam. The leftist nature of the press provides all manner of images and video of what they consider extraordinary events, such as suicide bombings, and mistreatment of prisoners we’re holding. But, Americans know that in order to get the whole story we need to go to outside sources where we can see the beheaded journalists and the blackened bodies of civilian truck drivers strung from bridges. These images would risk validation of the minor abuses of prisoners that are blown out of proportion by the media. And never mind ever getting information about all those mundane positive developments in Iraq. The feeding frenzy the leftists demonstrate today is exactly what they participated in during Vietnam. Despite the Cindy Sheehan’s with their “No More War” non-battle cry of freedom of complacency that the leftist owned media keeps trying to feed us, we realize that the liberals inside and outside the media have full intentions of trying to manipulate the outcome of this war, just as they did in Vietnam. Fortunately for Americans today, we know where to find the truth, we know who our real enemies are, and we know that this war is necessary for our survival.

4. Artificial statistics and polling results are continually used to measure the alleged growing leftist view of the war in Iraq, even within Iraq. While they’ve whined and cried about bringing our troops home, they then turn around and use the increase in Iraqi troops and citizens as more political fodder after our troops have turned various areas of defense over to the Iraqi’s. It doesn’t seem to really matter to them that less of our troops are dying, because that wasn’t really the concern in the first place. One can only conclude that all this new whining is because they didn’t want us to just bring our troops home, they wanted and expected us to “cut and run” before the job was finished so they could clearly declare Iraq another lost war, just as they did in Vietnam.

5. The constant drone of “we’ll never win their hearts and minds like this” reverberated throughout the halls of Hollywood’s version of the West Wing and bounced with a resounding thud against the walls of New York’s remaining skyscrapers. Instead of supporting the greatest military force on earth to do what it has always done best, winning wars and defending worldwide freedom, the liberal cries of “restraint” and “excessive use of force” filled America’s ears here at home and just as they did during Vietnam once their voices were being heard in Washington and they were able to put the brakes on at the Pentagon, they then began to claim that the kid glove treatment that they demanded had come too late. The fact is, it never should have come at all and had the liberals not whined so much it never would have.

6. The continued use of terms like “insurgence” and “uprising” have been attempts to paint the Iraqi’s as “fighting for freedom” from the U.S. while little to know attention is paid to the infiltration of mercenaries from outside Iraq who have a major stake in forcing the U.S. out. Outside one side of a liberals mouth we hear that al Qaeda wasn’t in Iraq prior to our going there, but out of the other side of that same liberals mouth we hear that the al Qaeda terrorist inside Iraq is actually an “Iraqi Freedom Fighter”. First we hear that there are not enough U.S. troops in Iraq to get the job done, then we hear “bring ‘em home”, then it’s back to there’s not enough to do the job, and all the while they seem totally unaware of what the job actually is as they claim that there’s no clear idea presented by the Bush administration for finalizing the war in Iraq. Fortunately for most Americans these little oversights by liberals have not gone un-noticed.

7. The attempt to make a parallel connection between Iraq and Vietnam is equally displayed in how the liberal machine in the U.S. continues to claim that the less capable Iraqi forces will never be able to defeat the so-called insurgency. This is just more evidence that they are denying any outside influence to the Iraq situation. Fortunately for most Americans we realize that there is just as much of an outside influence in Iraq as there was in Vietnam and we are not being as easily manipulated into believing that we need to “cut and run” as we were in Vietnam.

8. Just as during Vietnam the liberals have demanded the President Bush give a specific date for withdrawal of U.S. forces. They use the term “occupier” believing that Americans will relate it to such regimes as Hitler and Mussolini who occupied Europe during WWII. Of course you never hear them speak of the fact that the United States still has troops in Germany, Japan, Korea and various other countries throughout the world, long after WWII. Fortunately for most Americans we realize that this term is being misused in this case because despite their manipulated polls inside Iraq, the government wants us there and like the situation in Germany, Japan, and S. Korea, there is no real reason for providing a date for withdrawal.

9. Since President Bush first took office the liberals have called for the head of one member of his administration after another. Like the Salem Witch trials these folks never run out of accusations and claims of wrong doing, demanding heads on silver platters including but not limited to those of Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin L. Powell, Condoleezza Rice, John D. Ashcroft, and Tom Ridge. It seems no matter how many heads they get they just aren’t happy. One can only surmise that they fully understand the concept of it being impossible to focus on draining the swamp when you’re up to your armpits in alligators, so they’ve turned the alligators loose to enjoy a liberal feeding frenzy. This tactic of keeping the Bush administration busy fighting the war here at home so it cannot give full attention to the war it should be fighting has not gone un-noticed though.

10. Claiming that President Bush lied in order to validate the war in Iraq is probably the biggest lie the liberals have told yet, in their effort to make this war appear to parallel that of Vietnam. Their head in the sand approach to the fact that the information provided to Congress was indeed the same information provided to the previous administration has failed. Their attempt to avoid the fact that WMD have indeed been found in Iraq has failed. Their attempt to claim that there are no victories in Iraq have failed. And their attempt to paint this administration with the same paintbrush of Democrat President Lyndon Johnson who got us into Vietnam. But their biggest failure to date is that of failing to keep America blind to the truth and still feeding on the liberal pabulum of the press. Because of that, the liberals are now suffering for their failure to learn the lessons of turning on our troops during Vietnam.

AMERICA, (except for the liberals again) SUPPORTS OUR TROOPS!!

Hi Kix,

I don't see a damn thing wrong with that, and I can bitch about anything.

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Common KIX-A-POO, provide a link where you found this thread.

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try dealing with the content.
If it is unsopportable THEN you discredit the writer and source..
But you ignore the WHOLE essay and try to dismiss BECAUSE of your opinion.

Ok, you provided a list of ten, the problem is that you failed to prove your POV.

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wow! kix has unearthed the VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY. president bushs failure to win iraqs favor gave the left all of the voice it needed. if 3000 iraqi civilians did not die every month or if american intrest in iraq were not attacked around the clock........people just might stop bitching and there would be no worry in the republican party over the upcoming elections. its just like democrats getting mad at ken star....but never bill clinton for starting the whole fiasco.......empty conspiracy. win outright and we will go away.

This is the best you can do? You cannot even argue one out of ten points?

Of course I did, you just failed to comprehend it, as usual.

You're just too clever Mikey. But still just one more who failed to address even one out of ten points.

I am not sure you are very clear on the history of either war and how they compare. There has been a clear misunderstaning from both right and left in both wars as to what our exact mission and a long term plan for acheivement of goals was in Indochina and Iraq.

You are arguing way too many things at once here and what are your specific points? Whether you want to watch any media at all as compared to seeing what all the commanders have said/are saying does give one pause as to things that are parallel to the two conflicts. There are some things that have been rebuilt but much like in Indochina things get destroyed by rival factions after they have been rebuilt and refugees are forced to move. Is is very difficult to assess if even 50% of the country is stable...this comes from commanders of our armed forces.

To tell you the truth, the 'leftist media' has been far more constricted in my opinion (and the opinion of many journalists on both sides) as to what is going to be reported and shown. I give you the example of the Buddhist Monk self-immolation in Saigon in June of 1963. First, this was used to 'promote the war' and show the American public what was going on over in South Vietnam. Leftist tactic?

Second, in 1968 South Vietnamiese Gen. Nguyen Ngoc Loan was shown on a nightly news report putting a bullet in the head of a suspected North Vietnamiese Communist. Leftist tactic?

Either one of these can be argued either way and no footage EITHER way like the above mentioned has been able to make it out of Iraq within great scrutiny. This was a tactic that was started during the Reagan administration and has been exercized through both Dem and Rep administrations because of the 'public viewing' issues that arise. Even talking about or focusing on the 'leftist' reporting is not a very strong argument in this.

First, American's dying is ALWAYS a concern. That is from the right or left and you only need to go back to 'Desert Storm' to show that.

I have NEVER heard anyone LIBERAL or other wise use the term "cut and run." You should really stop using that, Karl Rove and his buddies made that up. If you want to argue about 'peace activists' then fine but they will ALWAYS argue against any war. You are mixing a lot of people into your 'cut and run' pot and your should be much more specific. Also, if you listened to Sen Joe Biden on Meet the Press this morning he did give plan that is much better and is not 'cut and run.'

I am not sure how much TV you watch but I do not watch that show, why are you concerned about "The West Wing"?

I will try to address what you have sadi but I am not very clear here. The ACTIONS and prosecution of the two wars are quite war parallel but the latter point you make has not come the fruition yet. We are three years into this war. At three years into the Vitnem war (around 67 or 68) things had not quite turned so negative quite yet, summer of 68 is one of the main turning points. We are not there yet but you can aprallel up to that point...do some reading on it.

This is your interpretaion of the terms used. I have been very clear from the start whether it be liberal media or not that after Saddam was deposed this would be a very difficult operation because it allows the three sects of iraq to have political say, and violently I might add. There is very clear sectarian violence coincides with indiginous people wanting any Western power out. This clearly parallels to Indochina because of the way the layering of nationalism and sectarian violence intersects. You can have an opinion about how it is characterized but there are many paralells in this catagory you talk about.


I have not idea what you are saying here. They are in a civil war...you need to get updated; all the news agencies have been using 'civil war' and know this...that is exactly what happened in the nationalistic fight going on in Indochina during hte 50s, 60s, and 70s.

First, many Republicans have wanted a time-line too.

Second, you are comparing apples and oranges when talking about Japan, Korea, and Germany to all this. American forces in each conflict were used in different ways and the length and nature of occupation differ greatly depending on the 'cease-fire' that is achieved and what is needed at the time. The idea of 'occupation' is relative to the situation and I have not heard (again) a 'cut and run' thing like you say. What I have heard is a demand for re-assessment of how we will deal with this in the future and how Iraq will and won't get help from us; I think that is quite valid in approach.

So? Clinton and his ilk had the same exact thing happen to them. What is your point?

His statements at best were very misleading at the start of this Iraq war. Go through his big speech before Congress point by point and it is uncanning how close the events and points line up to the 'misleading' that LBJ did during the Tonkin Gulf resolution.

AMERICA ABSOLUTELY SUPPORTS OUR TROOPS...on BOTH sides...but we do not want to be fighting a conflict that our leaders have misled us about and have far too many questions to be asked. This has little to do with our hard working troops but does very much have to do with our leadership that has been very problematic.