Most Iraqis Favor Immediate Pullout

TheYellowDog · #21 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by graybeard

What's your point?

That little term "bias" that has great influences on people's thought. All I'm saying is don't let that be a single reference.

funktacular · #22 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006, 09:00 PM

now, now, yellowdog let's not let things like common sense get in the way.

graybeard · #23 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheYellowDog

That little term "bias" that has great influences on people's thought. All I'm saying is don't let that be a single reference.

The second link is the Methodology of the poll, which is the topic of this thread. Kix questioned the methods of the poll, and I thought some facts would be helpful.
I also would expect nothing less from those on the Right, than to attack the credibility of a source rather than comment on the contents.

Kix · #24 (**permalink**) 09-28-2006, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

I clearly understand that most of your posts defend our troops and they should be defended (I clearly feel the same) but I think you are missing the point (at least for me) when the comparison to Indochina is made. The same bad decision making is being made not by the troops on the ground but by the leadership. I will have more time to talk when I get back on Sunday; I want to counter some of the things you have posted on the 'Ten reasons...' thing.

Much of what you are saying is to defend the troops that are doing real heavy lifting in this war and that is always accurate and admirable but I think some of it is getting mixed up with some terrible over-estimates vs. under-estimates that have been made in our leadership. Facts are there was absolutely no plan to deal with what would happen AFTER Saddam was deposed and that does fall on the leadership on the inside of the Bush administration. No contingency or forward thinking as to what actually happens when a country like Iraq is destabilized and then three indigenous factions are left unguided that have been forced at gun point to capitulate to a dictator. Well, they do what they have learned; live by the sword and armed coercion/force. That is biting us in the ass right now, no plan was made for that...it is fact and has more to do with the history of the region dating back to Mesopotamia as opposed to the threat of terrorism.

The problem isn't that they didn't have a plan, the problem is that our troops aren't being given enough time to impliment the plan they had because of the pressure to get them out of Iraq as quickly as possible. My son was with one of the teams training Iraqi troops and he said they knew going in that they had more work to do retraining their mindset with regard to how to treat people as they did any combat and medical training. But they were given about half the time to train them as our troops get back home for basic training alone. All because no one here from either political party wanted to give them the extra time needed to actually train them correctly.

The same goes for practically everything else they've done in Iraq. It's all been a rush to get in there, get great things done in record time and then get out. This cannot all be blamed on "The Bush Administration"; a good amount of it has to be placed on the shoulders of both parties and those at the Pentagon who are trying to sell their way to win a war to both parties and still come out with a pension.

And as I've said before, one has to consider as well that it's nearly impossible to focus on draining the swamp when you're up to your armpits in alligators and that's what President Bush and his administration have had to deal with since day one. They've probably fought more battles here at home than our troops have fought in Iraq.

I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right · #25 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kix

Gee, who would have thought. This sure makes it sound like our troops did a really lousy job over there. Kinda makes it sound like another...

Vietnam.. doesn't it? And that's so troubling, after all the support they've gotten from the media and...... others here.

To this I say.... CAMEL CRAP! It's just more politically induced media hype.

"71 percent of Iraqis questioned"
Translation: We only questioned those we were fairly certain would give us the answers we wanted to get and 71% of them did.

Another clue: "The report was based on 1,870 face-to-face interviews conducted from late June to early July." This means that it would have been impossible to know that the "Majorities in all regions except Kurdish areas" feel one way or the other about anything. There are simply too many regions to cover and not enough face-to-face interviews to account for all of them.

I've done too many face-to-face interviews with troops coming home and even my own son said the Iraqi's he worked with cried when they left.

I am so sick of the "The Media is Biased Crap." What would you like the to report? "Hey, everything is FINE here, the Iraqies love us and love freedom." "They are doing a great job defending themselves." The only thing left to do is plant some flower gardens around the new Embassay and we'll be right home." And you didn't mind the media so much when they had wall-to-wall cum-stain scrollers when it came to a competely NON-POLITICAL issue like a blowjob.

And don't even try to maintain that we are trying to blame the troops for what is happening in Iraq. They are doing the best job that they can. I don't even blame their superiors, most of the military has been been vocal about the issues they are facing. I blame the billion dollar playboys, with "other things do" do other wars or cushy state side jobs devined by family influence. Why don't you sign up? They could use a hand...

monkeyinthemiddle · #26 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

I am so sick of the "The Media is Biased Crap." What would you like the to report? "Hey, everything is FINE here, the Iraqies love us and love freedom." "They are doing a great job defending themselves." The only thing left to do is plant some flower gardens around the new Embassay and we'll be right home." And you didn't mind the media so much when they had wall-to-wall cum-stain scrollers when it came to a competely NON-POLITICAL issue like a blowjob.

And don't even try to maintain that we are trying to blame the troops for what is happening in Iraq. They are doing the best job that they can. I don't even blame their superiors, most of the military has been been vocal about the issues they are facing. I blame the billion dollar playboys, with "other things do" do other wars or cushy state side jobs devined by family influence. Why don't you sign up? They could use a hand...

Yes the clintons have proven your theory.
The carters as well, the gores and the kerrys' too!
Sign up...lol
This is your come back to back your lame excuses in exchange for appeasing killers..
You'd rather blow billions of dollars to the wind, negotiate with evil.
Sorry, cain't do that, not gonna do it!

I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right · #27 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006, 03:46 AM

Well at least you admitt that HALF A TRILLION dollars have been pissed down a hole for no good reason... Your children are going to have a lovely time paying that bill down someday.

By the way I thought you conservatives were for smaller government? Seems the bills are pooring in and no one is writing any checks. Oh, and you love meddling in personal lives... abortion, gay marriage. When are you going to practice what you preach.

You guys are the "New" Liberals

monkeyinthemiddle · #28 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

Well at least you admitt that HALF A TRILLION dollars have been pissed down a hole for no good reason... Your children are going to have a lovely time paying that bill down someday.

By the way I thought you conservatives were for smaller government? Seems the bills are pooring in and no one is writing any checks. Oh, and you love meddling in personal lives... abortion, gay marriage. When are you going to practice what you preach.

You guys are the "New" Liberals

I tell you what...make some sense here Hateful.
Big government is maintained by the likes of a socialist left.
While the social left filibuster and whine over EVERY issue, the very issues YOU bring up here, the bills you mention, are pouring in by a measured socialism represented by a ACLU.
While we have a degeneration of moral values, I can decipher that terrorism can not be funded any further, there is no ethical negotiation with killers.

I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right · #29 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006, 02:01 PM

How many in Iraq have we murdered? 100,000 maybe? For what? Some dusty weapons that didn't work and dated back from before the first gulf war... and before you post some bullshit about weapons... they didn't have them. So you go to sleep with the image of burned babies in your mind... WE DID THAT...

Areyouforreal · #30 (**permalink**) 09-29-2006, 02:15 PM

Iraq is part of the War on Terror. Unless you think that Iraq was the only country in the world that did not have terrorists in it.