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Old 09-26-2006, 08:13 PM
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Another Clinton measure to combat terrorism. I have no problem with it, as it applies to suspected terrorists, but it is curious that I have not seen this in the numerous civil rights abuses by the covert ACLU agents in the forum. Especially since it was in response to a terrorist strike against us (OH NO!, can anyone say Reichstag Fire scenario, wher have I heard that before????). Especially coupled with the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act which was proposed (do I smell a Hitler comparison?).

And it would be just as foolish to say it then as it is now, but it doesn't stop em.

No warrant needed for searches. Basically OK'd by a rubber stamp from a presidential appointee.

Executive Order 12949

www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm
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Old 09-26-2006, 10:49 PM
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Another Clinton measure to combat terrorism. I have no problem with it, as it applies to suspected terrorists, but it is curious that I have not seen this in the numerous civil rights abuses by the covert ACLU agents in the forum. Especially since it was in response to a terrorist strike against us (OH NO!, can anyone say Reichstag Fire scenario, wher have I heard that before????). Especially coupled with the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act which was proposed (do I smell a Hitler comparison?).

And it would be just as foolish to say it then as it is now, but it doesn't stop em.

No warrant needed for searches. Basically OK'd by a rubber stamp from a presidential appointee.

Executive Order 12949
www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm
Very curious Dom, I bet if this were appointed by a conservative member this would have raised high hell!
We have the left sqirming over library searches!
Physical searches OK, gooses included...
Only 'just how far IS a physical search considered a physical search'?
Internet searches.....BAAAAD!
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Old 09-27-2006, 09:03 AM
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HILL JOINS BILL IN TERROR WAR
By IAN BISHOP and GEOFF EARLE Post Correspondents

September 27, 2006 -- WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday fired a direct shot at Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for not taking Osama bin Laden seriously enough before 9/11.

Clinton jumped into the escalating and bitter blame game after Rice charged in yesterday's Post that Bill Clinton was making "flatly false" claims that the Bush administration didn't do enough to stop the terror attacks.

"I'm certain that if my husband and his national security team had been shown a classified report entitled 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the U.S.,' he would have taken it more seriously than history suggests it was taken by our current president and his national security team," Hillary Clinton charged.

Her carefully worded but searing comments were aimed directly at Rice, who served as Bush's national security adviser before the attacks. Clinton was referring to a classified Aug. 6, 2001, briefing Bush received, attended by Rice and other top advisers, that dealt with bin Laden's interest in attacking the United States.

"All you have to do is read the 9/11 commission [report] to know what [Bill Clinton] and his administration did to protect Americans," Hillary Clinton said.

"I think my husband did a great job in demonstrating Democrats are not going to take these attacks," she added.

President Bush also weighed in on the controversy yesterday - saying he doesn't "have enough time to finger-point" over whose administration did more to take down the terror mastermind before the attacks.

"I've got to do my job, which comes home every day in the Oval Office, and that is to protect the American people from further attack," Bush said during a White House news conference with Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai after he was asked by a reporter about Bill Clinton's claims.

"I've watched all this finger-pointing and naming of names, and all that stuff," Bush added - an apparent slap at Bill Clinton, who repeatedly wagged his finger at Fox News Channel's Chris Wallace during a contentious 22-minute weekend interview that started the uproar.

"We'll let history judge - all the different finger-pointing and all that business. I don't have enough time to finger-point," Bush said.

During the Fox interview, an agitated Clinton huffed about his efforts to get bin Laden: "I tried. They had eight months to try. They did not try."

Rice fired back in a point-by-point rebuttal in yesterday's bombshell Post front-page story.

"The notion somehow for eight months the Bush administration sat there and didn't do that is just flatly false," Rice told Post reporters and editors.

"What we did in the eight months was at least as aggressive as what the Clinton administration did in the preceding years."

In the high-stakes battle, both Clinton and Rice used the 9/11 commission report as the basis for their charges.

"President Clinton believes in responding with facts when someone tries to smear you," said Bill Clinton spokesman Jay Carson.

"Every single fact that President Clinton stated in his interview is backed up by the historical record - including the 9/11 commission report," Carson added.

Meanwhile, lawmakers from both sides of the aisle on Capitol Hill joined in the battle.

"I think he's [Clinton] trying to rewrite history to say he was doing more than he was," Rep. Peter King (R-L.I.), chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, told The Post.

"If his plan was so good, why didn't he go ahead and implement it," King said.

But Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.) charged: "Condoleezza is the perfect sycophant. For her to appear as anything less wouldn't come off. If she wants to believe the administration was on its game from January [2001] to 9/11, then you better go back and read the 9/11 report."

The nasty partisan fight comes as Democrats scramble to convince voters they're tough on terror six weeks before the crucial elections for control of Congress.

While Clinton defended her husband's aggressive retorts as smart political strategy, King said the finger-wagging anger only brings up bad memories.

"I think it's clearly not helping the Democrats. It's bringing everything back to the contortions of the Clinton administration," he said.

Bill Clinton's contentious interview propelled "Fox News Sunday" to its best ratings since the capture of Saddam Hussein in December 2003 - and prompted nearly a million views on the YouTube Web site.

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Old 09-27-2006, 10:12 AM
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He missed his chance and that was that
The video shows Clinton explaining that he turned down an offer from Sudan for bin Laden's extradition to the U.S., saying, "At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him."

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Clinton explaining that he turned down an offer from Sudan for bin Laden's extradition to the U.S.,
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Old 10-02-2006, 01:53 AM
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No sorry Cat, its not one half dozen or another...
Clinton was negligent while he was trying.
I can agree that almost anything can be rationalized, but dahling, clinton was a very self absorbed man, even you acknowledge that much.
No raw deal, he even got the silverware.
I think the rubes did quite well Cat.
Clarke served under other men, yes, but dick didn't make the calls, ya see..
Bush took on the whole barrel of monkeys, yeah and I heard the president repeatedly tell the media, and the rest of the world, for the 14th hundred time.
"This is going to take a long time"
Only a moron would believe it would take less then the time he served his role.
This war is going to continue for a long while, put your seat belt on Cat, its going to be a bumpy ride.
Going to take a long time is all fine a good but he was talking about the WAR ON TERROR (and that will go on forever)...that was not the deposing of Saddam and what to do with Iraq after that happened. Look, the game plan was very unclear from the start and what follow up needed to be done and you have to seperate out each item and deal with each one.

But, I feel very strongly that the plans keep changing but we are told and that to not worry about it, it is all global terror. No, that is not right..that is like saying all Islamic people are terroroists and even all people who look like a Middle Easterner are out to get us.

When refering to a 'raw deal'L I think that I talked about GHWB. Also, when talking about Clinton or Bush and the war on terror there is a 'before and after 9/11 reality' and that is fact. It becomes disingenuous to start pointing too many fingrs at anyone before 9/11 because no one had a real idea that passenger planes would actually be used in that way.

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