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Old 06-22-2008, 06:43 PM
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Should Israel be offered membership in NATO? It seems to me that integrating Israel within the North Atlantic Alliance would be the clearest means to establishing a stable and enduring Middle East Peace. By giving Israel an ironclad security guarantee, it could give Tel Aviv the freedom to make territorial concessions it needs to make to secure peace agreements with Syria and Lebanon. Secondly, I think Israel would be a lot more open to true Palestinian statehood if it's security were guaranteed by the West. Finally, I think Iran - were it to become a true nuclear power - would be a lot more reticient in confronting Israel if it meant confronting NATO as well.

As far as NATO goes, I think the alliance would only be strengthened by having the Israelis on board. Think about how force readiness would be enhanced by having joint exercises with the best soldiers in the world.

So what's the drawback? If giving Israel NATO membership enables them to conclude peace agreements with all of it's neighbors, what are the odds we'd actually have to intervene to stop an invasion? Who'd dare to attack them?

It seems to me that having Israel as a full member of NATO offers the surest route to Middle East peace.
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Old 06-22-2008, 06:46 PM
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Israel isn't going to make territorial concessions. No way, nbo how.

If we include them in the collective security arraignment it would be a bad. Every fight they get into would active the alliance? I don't think that's a good idea
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Israel isn't going to make territorial concessions. No way, nbo how.

If we include them in the collective security arraignment it would be a bad. Every fight they get into would active the alliance? I don't think that's a good idea
We could offer them NATO membership as a condition for making territorial concessions, though. And NATO wouldn't be required to participate in every fight they got into any more than it's required to participate in every fight the US gets into... NATO would only be required to act when Israel was attacked from the outside.
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Old 06-22-2008, 07:04 PM
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We could offer them NATO membership as a condition for making territorial concessions, though. And NATO wouldn't be required to participate in every fight they got into any more than it's required to participate in every fight the US gets into... NATO would only be required to act when Israel was attacked from the outside.
Vade retro Satana...Europeans voted Israel at 59 % the
most dangerous country against the peace..
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Old 06-22-2008, 07:12 PM
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Vade retro Satana...Europeans voted Israel at 59 % the
most dangerous country against the peace..
Europeans also voted Verka Serduchka into second place in Eurovision... what does that prove?
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Old 06-22-2008, 07:33 PM
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Europeans also voted Verka Serduchka into second place in Eurovision... what does that prove?
Would you like to have all the Israelis move to Canada ?
Unless yo"re a jew.

HOLYWAR!

see who they are

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Old 06-22-2008, 07:54 PM
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Would you like to have all the Israelis move to Canada ?
Unless yo"re a jew.

HOLYWAR!

see who they are
*LOL* That website is about as messed up as Verka Serduchka's... I even scrolled down expecting to see a picture of Verka.

On a more serious note, I seem to recall the last time Canada turned away Jews it didn't turn out too well. Like Archbishop Gervais, I have no intention of repeating past mistakes.

I'm not a Jew - I'm a Catholic... but judging from that website, I guess you have got a problem with us too... so I consider myself in good company.
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Old 06-22-2008, 08:30 PM
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*LOL* That website is about as messed up as Verka Serduchka's... I even scrolled down expecting to see a picture of Verka.

On a more serious note, I seem to recall the last time Canada turned away Jews it didn't turn out too well. Like Archbishop Gervais, I have no intention of repeating past mistakes.

I'm not a Jew - I'm a Catholic... but judging from that website, I guess you have got a problem with us too... so I consider myself in good company.
Yes I am also Catholic .
I"ve tried a few times to create a dialoque
with good hebraic jews. No way.
The ones in the forum are the scum
of the jews..They insult ,threaten you
they mistify your posts ,therefore you
have no respect for them..
We are all muslims for them..
Fuck them all.....

Do you think we have elections this year ?
I can"t stand that P.M. who looks like
a protestant missionary..he must even
make love with his wife ,the missionary way.

This what I think of jews or Israelis.
The same as Scott Ritter from U.N.

this is what Scott Ritter said at end of his article;

Israel at present can have no friends, because Israel does not know how to
be a friend. Driven by xenophobic paranoia and historical grievances, Israel
is embarked on a path that can only lead to death and destruction. This is a
path the United States should not tread. I have always taken the position
that Israel is a friend of the United States, and that friends should always
stand up for one another, even in difficult times. I have also noted that,
to quote a phrase well known in America, friends don't let friends drive
drunk, and that for some time now Israel has been drunk on arrogance and
power. As a friend, I have believed the best course of action for the United
States to take would be that which helped remove the keys from the ignition
of the policy vehicle Israel is steering toward the edge of the abyss. Now
it seems our old friend is holding a pistol to our head, demanding that we
stop interfering with the vehicle's operation and preventing us from getting
out of the car. This is not the action of a friend, and it can no longer be
tolerated.

He then calls for a reevaluation of the US policy of aid to Israel and asks
that it should be "linked to Israeli behavior modification" stating that,
"like a child too long spoiled by an inattentive parent, Israel has grown
accustomed to American largess

make your comment.....

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Old 06-22-2008, 08:52 PM
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Yes I am also Catholic .
I"ve tried a few times to create a dialoque
with good hebraic jews. No way.
The ones in the forum are the scum
of the jews..They insult ,threaten you
they mistify your posts ,therefore you
have no respect for them..
We are all muslims for them..
Fuck them all.....
Isn't respect a two-way street, though? The way I figure it, if you make a good faith effort to open a dialogue and someone spurns that, well, that's their loss, isn't it? Either way, though, is it really fair to judge a whole society on the actions of a few members?

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Do you think we have elections this year ?
I can"t stand that P.M. who looks like
a protestant missionary..he must even
make love with his wife ,the missionary way.
*L* Tell you the truth, I've never been that curious about Harper's love life to give it much thought....

I think after his whole Green Shift policy platform, Dion pretty much has to force an election this fall... it should be an interesting one. I can't see the Liberals winning, though, unless they pick up a lot of support in Quebec. They'll lose seats in the Maritimes, but they'll pick most of those up in Ontario. And, of course, they'll be flat in the West (outside of Vancouver)... so their only real hope is going to be Quebec. If I were Dion, I'd spend about as much time running against Duceppe as I would against Harper. That's the mistake Martin made... he didn't spend nearly enough time in Quebec.

I like Dion, though... he's both highly intelligent and vastly underestimated. That makes him doubly dangerous.
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Old 06-22-2008, 08:54 PM
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A poll taken in the European Union a few years ago.
The poll was called:Eurobarometer =====Question"
Which country is more responsible for the danger of
peace in the planet ?"
Israel was voted 59%..US second..
Our Seagram godfather -Bronfman went to Europe
to give hell to the Europeans..
Some European friends of mine...since the Godfather is
or was Canadian ...I told them he was the grand-son
of an associate of Al Capone..

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