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09-07-2006, 10:32 PM
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Sarcasm people. Sarcasm. I agree with you Sam. Of course we don't want to emulate them. Good grief, THEY CUT PEOPLE'S HEADS OFF!!! That bothers me and wish it would at least piss somebody in this country off. And George, it won't stop when Bush is gone.
I do wish people wouldn't speak of torture, though, without evidence. And when there is evidence, speak to those specific cases and stop painting the entire military with a broad brush. It's lazy. If our people are torturing people then get rid of them. But don't insult everybody and act like they are all doing it.
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09-08-2006, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Sam
The issue is that our country is standing for a Democracy and as leaders .For example we invaded Iraq for a myriad of flip flopping reasons but one of those given was Saddam tortured prisoners. Now if we go in and do the same thing in the very prison in which we critisized Saddam for, we will hardly win the hearts and minds of the very people Bush says we are trying to win over. If we are trying to take a stand that the terrorists are barbaric we hardly want to emulate them. This country wants to stand for being just and good..that does not mean housing prisoners in luxury but follwing the Geneva convention . Instances of our military torturing, raping and murdering people undermines what our country is attempting to do and further endangers our troops.
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First off, we didn't start a war because people were tortured. It's worth mentioning to gain favor of the war, but that was not one of the "flip flopping" reasons to enter the war. Also, I don't think instances of our military torturing, raping and murdering people undermines our countries efforts. It's not representative. I look at those atrocities and say, yep, people are sick and dimented all over the world. You must realize that when placed in the arena of war, watching your friends die and hearing of their bodies being mutilated, might have some negative psychological effects. When a soldier snaps, caring about the Geneva convention is the last thing on their mind. War is not the sterile environment you want it to be, bad things are going to happen on both sides. However, it's if those bad things are representative of your soldiers that undermines your cause. We all know you hate the war and the Bush admin. Now, perhaps you should address the original poster's comments and the fact that he was presented with info that conflicts with what he is saying.
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09-08-2006, 11:34 AM
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I don't believe they have beheaded any of our GIs yet. But the Pentagon, as well as McCain and Lindsay Graham are pretty concerned about the treatment our troops are going to receive. I'm sure you're not concerned. You're comfortable.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200244,00.html
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar.../7iraqblog.htm
If you need more I can accomidate. It's alarming that someone as well-read and informed, such as yourself, might have missed something like this. Also, I am as concerned as you are blind to truth and distanced from the big picture. Or as Sam might say, the links provided undermine your attempt at validity.
PS. When you respond, address the links that discredit your original post rather than ranting on about more unresearched drivel.
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09-08-2006, 01:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by George O Well
I haven't heard that they've beheaded any of our GIs. Where do you get your news?
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If they behead our soldiers force them to eat spam!!
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09-08-2006, 02:03 PM
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No seriously this is a hard subject. If your there fighting and one of your friends is caputered beaten or killed it would be really hard not to do the same.
But I agree without proof its a tuff call. God have mercy on all their souls both sides.
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09-09-2006, 12:53 AM
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Not trying to ruffle feathers here guys, but it’s not the Boy Scouts or JROTC. Why do some of you guys act so shocked & awed over the brutality of war? Men have been brutally killing one another for many many centuries over land, religion, money, greed, politics & so on & so forth. Shouldn’t we assume from history that brutality equals survival for men during combat?
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