Thread: Father of Lies

Originally Posted by Areyouforreal

What about the two prophets spoke about in Revelation?

Their not prophets They are witnesses and they bring the bowl of judgement unto the World. They prophecies nothing. They do whats intended of them and get murdered because of their witnessing against the beast. The world rejoices because their murdered they even treat it like a holiday and give each others gifts because of the bowl of judgement poured out against them . Its a 3 day holiday till they rise from the dead on that 3rd day. At they exact moment they all quit celabrating . They do not pass GO they do not collect $200. They go straight to hell.

Their was no reason for this book to be in the New testament. As it was the cause of many to fall away. Not that it isn't true. But today its talked about more than the Gosphels and the messages it sending isn't good news.

Were as the Gosphel is good news and is what should be read. S many have fallen away from finding the truth because of this .

Originally Posted by Kix

Why don't you believe the book of Revelation is part of God's word?

Kix its not that I don't believe its true. I just don't believe it was inspired by God to be part of the God good news of the new testment.

In a nut shell . The only thing that should have been added to the old testment is the Gosphels .

Everthing else should have gone into another book.

The early life of Christ All the Apocalyptic writting from all the apostles.

The lifes of all the aposticles after Christ quit ministering to them.

What Mary did . I would have been interested in what Mary Magdalin had to say . There is just so much that was written that couldn't go into the Bible that it would be nice to beable to read everthing that was written . I have read alot of this stuff. But it should be easily available to all But the HRCC has deemed a lot of it not in their best interest to be read.

The Prophecies of St Malachy

Pope No. Name (Reign) Motto (Translation) Claimed Historical Reference or Explanation
167 Celestine II (1143-1144) 1 Ex castro Tyberis (From a castle on the Tiber) Hist.: Born in Città di Castello, Umbria, on the shores of the Tiber.
168 Lucius II (1144-1145) 2 Inimicus expulsus (Enemy Expelled) Gheraldo Caccianemici, of Bologna. Noble whose surname signifies "expels enemies" and complied with currency and surname, inasmuch as with armour and shield of leather took the Capitol of Rome, but was mortally wounded in it takes of the Senate, dying in the monastery of San Gregorio, outside Rome. Enemy expelled, by their own parishioners, in defiance with the Papacy, and supported by the Normans that occupied the south of Italy.
169 Eugene III (1145-1153) 3 Ex magnitudine montis (Of the greatness of the mount) Among the alternate names seen for him, very difficult to verify, Pietro (or Bernardo) di Paganelli (or Pignatelli) di Montemagno.
170 Anastasius IV (1153-1154) 4 Abbas Suburranus (A Suburran Abbot) He was from the Suburra family.
171 Adrian IV (1154-1159) 5 De rure albo (From the white Field) Educated at the St Albans School in Hertfordshire.
Antipope Victor IV (1159-1164) 6 Ex tetro carcere (Out of a harsh prison) He was Cardinal of the title of St. Nicholas at the Tullian prison.
Antipope Paschal III (1164-1168) 7 Via trans-Tyberina (Road beyond the Tiber) When Cardinal, he was titular of the Basilica di Santa Maria in Trastevere.
Antipope Callixtus III (1168-1178) 8 De Pannonia Tusciae (From Tuscian Hungary) He was the Hungarian John, Abbot of Struma.
172 Alexander III (1159-1181) 9 Ex ansere custode (Out of the guardian goose) His family's coat of arms had a goose on it.
173 Lucius III (1181-1185) 10 Lux in ostio (A light in the entrance) In 1159, he became Cardinal Bishop of Ostia. Lux may also be a wordplay on Lucius.
174 Urban III (1185-1187) 11 Sus in cribo (A sow in a sieve) His family name, Crivelli, in Italian means a sieve.
175 Gregory VIII (1187) 12 Ensis Laurentii (The sword of Laurence) He was Cardinal of St. Laurence and his armorial bearing was a drawn sword.
176 Clement III (1187-1191) 13 De schola exiet (Let him come out of school) His family name was Scolari.
177 Celestine III (1191-1198) 14 De rure bovensi (From cattle country) He was from the Bobone family; a wordplay on cattle.
178 Innocent III (1198-1216) 15 Comes signatus (Signed Count) Descendant of the Segni family.
179 Honorius III (1216-1227) 16 Canonicus de latere (A canon from the side or from the Lateran) He was a canon of St. John Lateran.
180 Gregory IX (1227-1241) 17 Avis Ostiensis (Bird of Ostia) Before his election he was Cardinal of Ostia.
181 Celestine IV (1241) 18 Leo Sabinus (The Sabine lion) He was Cardinal Bishop of Sabina and his armorial bearing had a lion in it.
182 Innocent IV (1243-1254) 19 Comes Laurentius (Count Laurence) He was Cardinal of St. Laurence.
183 Alexander IV (1254-1261) 20 Signum Ostiense (A sign of Ostia) He was Cardinal Bishop of Ostia and member of the Conti-Segni family.
184 Urban IV (1261-1264) 21 Hierusalem Campaniae (Jerusalem of Champagne or to Campania) Native of Troyes, Champagne, later patriarch of Jerusalem.
185 Clement IV (1265-1268) 22 Draco depressus (A dragon held down) His coat of arms had an eagle crushing a dragon.
186 Gregory X (1271-1276) 23 Anguinus vir (A snake-like man) The Visconti coat of arms had a large serpent in it devouring a male child feet first."
187 Innocent V (1276) 24 Concionatur Gallus (Let the Frenchman orate or Let the cock crow) He was born in south-eastern France and was a member of the order of Preachers.
188 Adrian V (1276) 25 Bonus Comes (A good count (or companion)) He was a count and a wordplay on "good" can be made with his name, Ottobono.
189 John XXI (1276-1277) 26 Piscator Tuscus (The Tuscan fisherman) He had been Cardinal Bishop of Tusculum prior to his Papacy.
190 Nicholas III (1277-1280) 27 Rosa composita (A compound rose) He bore a rose in his coat of arms.
191 Martin IV (1281-1285) 28 Ex teloneo liliacei Martini (From the customs-house of Martin of the Lilies) He was Canon and Treasurer at the Church of St. Martin in Tours, France.
192 Honorius IV (1285-1287) 29 Ex rosa leonina (Out of the leonine rose) His coat of arms which showed two lions holding a rose.
193 Nicholas IV (1288-1292) 30 Picus inter escas (A woodpecker among fodder). He was from Ascoli, now called Ascoli Piceno, in Picene country.
194 St. Celestine V (1294) 31 Ex eremo celsus (Elevated from a hermit) Hist.: prior to his election he was a hermit.
195 Boniface VIII (1294-1303) 32 Ex undarum benedictione (From a blessing of the waves) His coat of arms had a wave through it. Also wordplay on his name, Benedetto.
196 Benedict XI (1303-1304) 33 Concionator patereus (A "patereus" preacher) He belonged to the Order of Preachers.
197 Clement V (1305-1314) 34 De fessis Aquitanicis (From the Bonds of Aquitaine) He was a native of St‑Bertrand-de‑Comminges in Aquitaine, and eventually became Archbishop of Bordeaux, also in Aquitaine.
198 John XXII (1316-1334) 35 De sutore osseo (Of the bony cobbler) His family name was Duèze, D'Euze, D'Euzes, or Euse, the last of which might be back-translated into Latin as Ossa.
Anti-pope Nicholas V (1328-1330) 36 Corvus schismaticus (The schismatic crow) Note the reference to the schism, the only anti-pope at this period.
199 Benedict XII (1334-1342) 37 Frigidus Abbas (Cold Abbot) He was a priest in the monastery of Fontfroide ("cold spring").
200 Clement VI (1342-1352) 38 De rosa Attrebatensi (From the rose of Arras) He was Bishop of Arras, (Latin: Episcopus Atrebatensis), and his armorial bearings showed six roses.
201 Innocent VI (1352-1362) 39 De montibus Pammachii (From the mountains of Pammachius) He had been Cardinal Priest of the title Pammachius (i.e., the church of SS. Giovanni e Paolo in Rome)
202 Urban V (1362-1370) 40 Gallus Vice-comes (A French viscount) He was born of a noble French family.
203 Gregory XI (1370-1378) 41 Novus de Virgine forti (New from the virgin fort) Of the family of Beaufort.
Anti-pope Clement VII (1378-1394) 42 De cruce Apostilica (From an apostolic cross) His coat of arms showed a cross, quarterly pierced.
Anti-pope Benedict XIII (1394-1423) 43 Luna Cosmedina (The moon of Cosmedin) He was the famous Peter De Luna, Cardinal of the Title of Santa Maria in Cosmedin.
Anti-pope Clement VIII (1423-1429) 44 Schisma Barcinonicum (A schismatic from Barcelona) He was a Canon of Barcelona.
204 Urban VI (1378-1389) 45 De Inferno praegnanti (From hell in childbirth) His family name was Prignano or Prignani, and he was a native of a place called Inferno near Naples.
205 Boniface IX (1389-1404) 46 Cubus de mixtione (The block of mixture) His coat of arms includes a bend chequy — a wide stripe with a checkerboard pattern.
206 Innocent VII (1404-1406) 47 De meliore sydere (From a better star) There was a large shooting star on his coat of arms.
207 Gregory XII (1406-1415) 48 Nauta de ponte nigro (Sailor from the black bridge) He was Commendatarius of the Church of Nigripontis.
Anti-pope Alexander V (1409-1410) 49 Flagellum Solis (Scourge of the sun) His coat of arms had a large sun on it.
Anti-pope John XXIII (1410-1415) 50 Cervus Sirenae (Stag of the Siren) He became Cardinal of the title of St. Eustachius, who has the stag as an emblem. His family was originally from Naples, which has the emblem of the

siren.
208 Martin V (1417-1431) 51 Corona veli aurei (Crown with the golden veil) His coat of arms had a golden crown resting atop a column.
209 Eugene IV (1431-1447) 52 Lupa caelestina (Celestinian or heavenly she-wolf) He belonged to the order of the Celestines and also was Bishop of Siena which bears a she-wolf on its arms.
Antipope Felix V (1439-1449) 53 Amator crucis (Lover of the Cross) He was previously the count of Savoy and therefore his coat of arms contained the cross of Savoy.
210 Nicholas V (1447-1455) 54 De modicitate lunae (Of the moon's temperance) He was born in Sarzana in the diocese of Luni, the ancient name of which was Luna.
211 Callixtus III (1455-1458) 55 Bos pascens (Grazing ox) Alphonse Borgia's arms sported a grazing ox.
212 Pius II (1458-1464) 56 De capra et Albergo (From a she-goat and a tavern) He had been secretary to Cardinal Capranica and Cardinal Albergato before he was elected Pope.
213 Paul II (1464-1471) 57 De cervo et Leone (From a stag and a lion) Possibly refers to his Bishopric of Cervia (a stag) and his Cardinal title of St. Mark (a lion).
214 Sixtus IV (1471-1484) 58 Piscator Minorita (Minorite fisherman) He was born the son of a fisherman and a member of the Minor Friars.
215 Innocent VIII (1484-1492) 59 Praecursor Siciliae (A fore-runner from Sicily or of Sicily) During his earlier years, he spent much time at the court of the King of Sicily.
216 Alexander VI (1492-1503) 60 Bos Albanus in portu (Alban bull in the port) In 1456, he was made a Cardinal and he held the titles of Cardinal Bishop of Albano and Porto.
217 Pius III (1503) 61 De parvo homine (From a little man) His family name was Piccolomini, similar to piccoli uomini = "little men."
218 Julius II (1503-1513) 62 Fructus jovis juvabit (The fruit of Jupiter will help) On his arms was an oak tree, which was sacred to Jupiter.
219 Leo X (1513-1521) 63 De craticula Politiana (From a Politian gridiron) His educator and mentor was the distinguished humanist and scholar, Angelo Poliziano.
220 Adrian VI (1522-1523) 64 Leo Florentius (Florentine lion) His coat of arms had two lions on it, and his name is sometimes given as Adriaan Florens, or other variants, from his father's first name..
221 Clement VII (1523-1534) 65 Flos pilaei aegri (Flower of the Diseased Cap, or Flower of the Cap of the Diseased One) pilaeus, properly pileus, gen. pilei, a cap; but pila, gen. pilae, a ball; and on his coat of arms were six torteaux (circles/balls), the uppermost of which was charged with three fleurs-de-lis.
222 Paul III (1534-1549) 66 Hiacynthus medicorum (The Hyacinth among physicians)
223 Julius III (1550-1555) 67 De corona Montana (Out of the Crown the Mountain) His coat of arms showed mountains and palm branches laid out in a pattern much like a crown.
224 Marcellus II (1555) 68 Frumentum floccidum (Fluffy Wheat) His coat of arms showed a stag and ears of wheat.
225 Paul IV (1555-1559) 69 De fide Petri (Of the faith of Peter) He is stated to have used his second Christian name Pietro.
226 Pius IV (1559-1565) 70 Aesculapii pharmacum (The drug/medicine of Asclepius) His family name was Medici.
227 St. Pius V (1566-1572) 71 Angelus nemorosus (Angel of the Grove) He was born in Bosco, (Lombardy); the placename means grove. His name was 'Antonio Michele Ghisleri', and Michel relates to the archangel.
228 Gregory XIII (1572-1585) 72 Medium corpus pilarum (Middle of a body of balls or ... mortars).
229 Sixtus V (1585-1590) 73 Axis in medietate signi (An axis in the midst of signs) This is often said to be a description of his coat of arms; but his arms were a lion rampant holding a pear branch, a bend wavy charged with three mountains and a star.
230 Urban VII (1590) 74 De rore caeli (Of the Dew of the Heavens) He had been Archbishop of Rossano in Calabria where sap called "the dew of heaven" is gathered from trees.
231 Gregory XIV (1590-1591) 75 De antiquitate Urbis (Of the old age of the city) He was from Milan, a very old city.
232 Innocent IX (1591) 76 Pia civitas in bello (Pious City in War) He was the Patriarch of Jerusalem before succeeding to the Papacy.
233 Clement VIII (1592-1605) 77 Crux Romulea (Cross of Romulus) His coat of arms show an embattled bend, erroneously stated to be a "Roman cross" (and an embattled bend is not a cross; it's a diagonal stripe with a square wave on both sides).
234 Leo XI (1605) 78 Undosus Vir (Wavy Man).
235 Paul V (1605-1621) 79 Gens perversa (The Evil People) His coat of arms bore a dragon and an eagle, which is stated to be called the Gens Perversa in heraldic circles.
236 Gregory XV (1621-1623) 80 In tribulatione pacis (In the disturbance of peace)
237 Urban VIII (1623-1644) 81 Lilium et rosa (Lily and Rose) His pontificate saw a particular interest in the affairs of France (fleur de lis) and England (the rose).
238 Innocent X (1644-1655) 82 Jucunditas crucis (Joy of the Cross) He was raised to the pontificate after a long and difficult Conclave on the Feast of the Exaltation of the Cross (off by a day).
239 Alexander VII (1655-1667) 83 Montium custos (Guardian of the Hills) His family crest includes three hills with a star above them.
240 Clement IX (1667-1669) 84 Sydus Olorum (Star of the swans) Upon his election, he is stated to have been the occupant of a "Chamber of Swans" in the Vatican.
241 Clement X (1670-1676) 85 De flumine magno (From a Great River).
242 Innocent XI (1676-1689) 86 Bellua insatiabilis (Insatiable beast).
243 Alexander VIII (1689-1691) 87 Poenitentia gloriosa (Glorious penitence) Possibly an allusion to the submission and repentance of the Gallican church during his pontificate.
244 Innocent XII (1691-1700) 88 Rastrum in porta (The rake at the door) Possibly an allusion to a Bull he issued banning nepotism from the Vatican, thus raking the gates to the papacy.
245 Clement XI (1700-1721) 89 Flores circumdati (Surrounded by Flowers) Urbino, the city where the Pope was born, is often stated to include a garland of flowers on its coat of arms. (It does not.)
246 Innocent XIII (1721-1724) 90 De bona Religione (Of the Good Religion) He was from the famous Conti family which had produced several Popes.
247 Benedict XIII (1724-1730) 91 Miles in bello (Soldier in War).
248 Clement XII (1730-1740) 92 Columna excelsa (Lofty Column)
249 Benedict XIV (1740-1758) 93 Animal rurale (Rural Animal)
250 Clement XIII (1758-1769) 94 Rosa Umbriae (The Rose of Umbria) Stated to have served in Umbria before becoming pope, and Umbria's emblem, or his "personal emblem" are variously stated to be the rose; neither is true.
251 Clement XIV (1769-1774) 95 Ursus velox (Swift Bear) It is often stated that his family crest bore a running bear; which is not true, nor did his own coat of arms as Pope.
252 Pius VI (1775-1799) 96 Peregrinus Apostolicus (Apostolic wanderer or pilgrim or eagle) Spent the last two years of his life as a fugitive from the political aftermath of the French Revolution.
253 Pius VII (1800-1823) 97 Aquila rapax (Rapacious eagle) The Pope's pontificate was overshadowed by Napoleon, whose emblem was the eagle.
254 Leo XII (1823-1829) 98 Canis et coluber (Dog and adder). "Dog" and "snake" are common insults, and Leo was widely hated.
255 Pius VIII (1829-1830) 99 Vir religiosus (Religious Man). "Pius" means "a desire and willingness to perform religious duties".
256 Gregory XVI (1831-1846) 100 De balneis hetruriae (From the baths of Etruria) He was a Camaldolese, and the order is stated to have been founded by Saint Romuald, at Balneo, in Etruria, present day Tuscany; which is not true: there is no such place, and St. Romuald founded his order at Camaldoli. Gregory XVI also founded the Etruscan Museum in 1837 with archaeological finds from southern Etruria.
257 Pius IX (1846-1878) 101 Crux de cruce (Cross of the Cross) The Cross is the symbol of the House of Savoy, which reunited Italy and stripped the pope from its territorial possessions.
258 Leo XIII (1878-1903) 102 Lumen in caelo (Light in the Sky) His coat of arms showed a shooting star.
259 St. Pius X (1903-1914) 103 Ignis ardens (Burning fire) See below
260 Benedict XV (1914- 1922) 104 Religio depopulata (Religion unpeopled) See below
261 Pius XI (1922-1939) 105 Fides intrepida (Intrepid faith) See below
262 Pius XII (1939-1958) 106 Pastor angelicus (An angelic shepherd) See below
263 John XXIII (1958-1963) 107 Pastor et Nauta (Shepherd and Sailor) See below
264 Paul VI (1963-1978) 108 Flos florum (Flower of flowers) See below
265 John Paul I (1978) 109 De medietate Lunae (Of the middleness of the moon) See below
266 John Paul II (1978-2005) 110 De labore Solis (Of the eclipse of the sun, or from the Labour of the sun or from the pregnancy of the sun) See below
267 Benedict XVI (2005-) 111 Gloria olivae (The glory of the olive or "to the olive") See below
??? ???? In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oues in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis ciuitas septicollis diruetur, et Iudex tremdus iudicabit populum suum. Finis. (In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations; when they are over, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the terrible or fearsome Judge will judge his people. The End.) Most scholars believe that this prophecy was added at a later date. See below

Contemporary Popes and the Prophecy
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Pope Pius X (Ignis ardens)
The motto means "ardent" or "burning fire". The pope was known for his great personal piety and strong devotion to the church, advocating reforms such as the codification of Canon law, daily communion and the Gregorian chant in the Catholic liturgy.

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Pope Benedict XV (Religio depopulata)
The motto means "religion laid waste". During Pope Benedict XV's reign, two significant events occurred: World War I, which killed 15 million people in Europe, and the October Revolution in Russia, which established the atheist Soviet Union.

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Pope Pius XI (Fides intrepida)
The motto means "intrepid faith". This pope released the encyclical Mit Brennender Sorge which condemned Nazi racism and also signed agreements with Fascist Italy which, among other things, gave the Vatican sovereignty, established the pope as head of state, and added 700 million lire to the church coffers.

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Pope Pius XII (Pastor angelicus)
The motto means "an angelic shepherd". This pope was known to be very mystical, and it was believed that he received visions. His writings added greatly to understanding of Catholic beliefs and church doctrine.

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Pope John XXIII (Pastor et Nauta)
"Pastor et Nauta" translates to "Shepherd and Sailor". Prior to his election he was patriarch of Venice, which is a maritime city, famous for its waterways and gondolas.

According to Peter Bander in The Prophecies of Malachy (TAN Books and Publisher, 1969) during the conclave which was to elect John XXIII, a certain Cardinal from the United States, (Cardinal Spellman of New York) evidently having taken Malachy's forecast that the next pope would be "pastor and mariner" literally, rented a boat, filled it with sheep and sailed up and down the Tiber.

The anti-pope Pius XIII of the True Catholic Church has also claimed to be Pastor et Nauta, as their group believes that his last valid predecessor was Pius XII. He has used justifications including his residence in the United States, which is across the Atlantic Ocean from Rome.

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Pope Paul VI (Flos florum)
Pope Paul VI, who reigned from 1963‑1978, is described in the prophecies as Flos florum (flower of flowers). His personal arms bore three fleurs-de-lis, the well-known symbol in flags and heraldry used to represent the French monarchy. "Fleur-de-lis" literally means "flower of louis" (as a reference to the Louis Kings of France). However, this disregards all the other papal arms that had flowers on them as well.

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Pope John Paul I (De medietate Lunae)
De medietate Lunae translates to "of the half-moon". It could also be interpreted as de media aetate lunae, meaning of the average age of the moon. Albino Luciani, who later became Pope John Paul I, was born in Canale d'Agordo, diocese of Belluno (the name is similar to bella luna, beautiful moon). He was elected on 26 August 1978, the day after the moon reached its last quarter, and reigned for 33 days, approximately five days longer than a lunar cycle. He died the day before the new moon. However, a much simpler explanation might be that he was born on the day of the half moon: on 17 October 1912, the moon was in its first quarter. Others point to his name before becoming pope, Albino Luciani: Albino is related to albus, white, and Luciani, although derived in fact from Lucius, looks like it might be from lux, lucis, light; whence "white light". Still others have linked "half-moon" to the smile often exhibited by John Paul I, who is remembered by many as the "smiling Pope."

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Pope John Paul II (De labore Solis)
The prophetic motto corresponding to Pope John Paul II is De labore Solis, which literally means "Of the labour of the sun", but "labores solis" ("travails of the sun") is a not uncommon metaphor used to mean solar eclipse. Karol Wojtyła, who later became Pope John Paul II, was born on 18 May 1920 during a partial solar eclipse (over the Indian Ocean), and buried on 8 April 2005, the day of a rare "hybrid" eclipse (over the south-western Pacific and South America). He might also be seen to be the fruit of the intercession of the Woman Clothed with the Sun labouring in Revelation 12 (because of his devotion to the Virgin Mary).

It has also been suggested that the associated Latin phrase could also be an anagram for de borealis sol, of the northern sun, being a luminary coming from Poland to the north. (It should be noted, though, that the phrase "de borealis sol" is agrammatical and meaningless in Latin; the correct phrase for "of the northern sun" should be "de boreali sole"). Another interpretation points simply to the sun rising in the east and his being the first Pope from Eastern Europe. Yet another is that he was the first Pope to go around the world, as the Sun seems to do. A further theory is that the combination of labore and solis cryptically refers to "the sun of the workers", i.e., the star of communism, with John Paul being the only pope to have spent much of his life under a communist regime.

During World War II, Karol Wojtyła worked in a quarry (laboring in the sunlight).

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Pope Benedict XVI (Gloria Olivae)
Gloria Olivae, glory of the olive, is the next phrase following De labore Solis. Prior to the papal conclave, this motto led to speculation that, if the next pontiff were not Carlo Cardinal Martini (the use of olives to garnish martinis being arguably their ultimate glory), he would be from the Order of Saint Benedict, whose symbols include the olive branch. Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, elected in April 2005, is not a Benedictine, but did choose Benedict XVI as his regnal name, which might be regarded as a fulfillment of this prophecy.

Yet there can also be a different meaning. By choosing the name Benedict, the Pope became linked with St. Benedict, who in turn is distantly connected to the Olivetans, a small sub-order of Benedictines. (Although it is frequently stated that the Order of St Benedict is also known as that of the Olivetans, this is not true: while all Olivetans are Benedictines, almost no Benedictines are Olivetans.)

Pope Benedict XVI was born on 16 April, the feastday of Saint Benedict Joseph Labre (26 March 1748 - 16 April 1783), also known as the Holy Pilgrim, with whom the Pope now shares both names, Benedict and Joseph. St. Benedict Labre, however, is not associated with olives, Olivetans or Mount Olivet in any way.

Yet another possible interpretation might be that, like his predecessor — who spoke of the Church needing to 'breathe with both lungs' again — Pope Benedict XVI has a special desire to reunite with the Eastern Orthodox churches, which have been separated since 1054 from the Roman Church. The olive can of course be taken as a symbol of Greece, and hence the Greek Orthodox Church (and — by extension — the Russian Orthodox Church which grew out of it). If indeed it turns out that reunion with the 'olive' churches is achieved during Benedict's pontificate (the last time, if only briefly, was at the Council of Florence, the seventeenth Ecumenical Council, 1438‑1445; the Union was intensely unpopular at Constantinople and fell apart after her fall in 1453), it would truly be a glorious achievement worthy of St Malachy's phrase, 'Gloria Olivae'.

Another interpretation was that Gloria Olivae would promote world peace, as symbolised by the olive branch. In a general audience on 27 April 2005, Benedict XVI explained that he chose his regnal name as a link to Benedict XV, Religio depopulata, and that "In his footsteps I place my ministry, in the service of reconciliation and harmony between peoples, profoundly convinced that the great good of peace is above all a gift of God, a fragile and precious gift to be invoked, safeguarded and constructed, day after day and with everyone's contribution".

Also, Pope Benedict XVI is widely expected to restore order and discipline (namely, the rule, Latin regula) within the Catholic church (the sheepfold, L. ovilis, whence ovilia, the place where the sheep lay to rest). This is an imperfect and ungrammatical anagram (de regola ovilia - of the rule of the sheepfold) for the counter-reformation he is expected to introduce to counter the misinterpretations of Vatican Council II.

Another interpretation is that he was a german soldier during WWII but wanted peace instead, and he brought it to pope, hence the glory of the olive.

There was a coincidence of two events, both connected to the olive, but unrelated to each other, with the 2005 Conclave: On April 18, a Turkish presidential candidate won the northern Cyprus elections favouring re-unification peace talks of the two sectors; the flag of Cyprus has two inter-locking olive branches in it. Secondly, on April 20, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi was forced to resign and later form a new government as a result of pressure from the leftist opposition called l'Ulivo ("The Olive Tree"). Even so, a year later on 11th April, 2006, the same Olive Group led by former E.U. Commission President, Romano Prodi ("Produs Romanus"), won the Italian general elections, giving more effect to the olive tree hypothesis.

Clemente Domínguez y Gómez, the late self-proclaimed Pope of the Palmarian Catholic Church also used to claim that he was the glory of the olive.

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Petrus Romanus
*****Note: the authenticity of the following prophecy is in doubt, as it lacks some of the data (such as a number) of the others, may have been added later, and has only been listed once as one of the Papal prophecies.*****

Ominously, the longest and final motto reads, "In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oues in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis ciuitas septicollis diruetur, & Iudex tremêdus iudicabit populum suum. Finis." (During the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, the seat will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed his sheep in many tribulations; and when these things are finished, the seven-hilled city will be destroyed, and the terrible Judge will judge his people. The End.)

Several men claiming to be Pope Peter II have emerged in recent years, probably inspired by this motto.

There are several interpretations regarding the last Popes listed by St. Malachy taken by those who believe the prophecies:

Regarding whether additional Popes, not listed by St. Malachy occur between Gloria Olivae and Petrus Romanus the following differing views are held:
Gloria Olivae is immediately followed by Petrus Romanus.
Because no number is assigned to Petrus Romanus, he and Gloria Olivae might be one and the same pope.
Because no number is assigned to Petrus Romanus, any number of popes could intervene between these two popes.
Because no number is assigned to Petrus Romanus, it is also possible that he will not be an actual pope (that is, that "Peter the Roman" may take on the role of the Pope without putting on the robe of the Pope). Under this possible scenario, a catastrophe at the Vatican -- perhaps a terrorist attack -- could wipe out the top leadership of the Church during either a consistory or a conclave of the College of Cardinals. As a result, with no viable College surviving to elect a new pontiff, this particular scenario would have a surviving official of the Roman Curia succeeding to the top leadership of the Church but not as Pope. Since he would not rise to the Papacy itself but instead would become, in effect, the top caretaker of the Church, he would not need to assume a new papal name such as Peter; thus he would keep the name he has had since his birth in Italy, and that name already would be Peter (or, in Italian, Pietro). Currently (that is, as of March 2006) there is only one such candidate for Petrus Romanus within the Roman Curia. His name is Pietro Parolin, the Vatican Under-Secretary of State for Relations with States, appointed by Pope John Paul II in 2002 to serve under Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo. A native of Schiavon, Italy, Monsignor Parolin was born in January 1955.
That the prophecies are indeed 16th century forgeries.
Regarding whether the Papacy ends with Petrus Romanus, the following differing views are held:
Petrus Romanus will be the final Pope. The end of his papacy will mark either the end of the papacy, the end of the Roman Catholic Church, the Church's final triumph, and/or the end of this world (See: Apocalypse, End of the world, Armageddon, Eschatology).
There will be additional Popes following Petrus Romanus, about which Malachy did not write. There is also the possibility that these additional popes might be considered antipopes, which could justify their omission in St. Malachy's eyes (However, several antipopes are mentioned in the Prophecy.)
If Petrus Romanus was a later and spurious addition to the prophecy, that leaves Gloria Olivae as the last listed Pope. That could still mean that there are or are not more Popes to come.
Many websites claim that Petrus Romanus does not exist at all. A booklet containing the Papal Prophecies written in the 1950's is the only evidence of a Petrus Romanus and was written by a Catholic. "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock among many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city (Rome, the seat of the Vatican) will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge (also) will judge the people. The End

Pope Benedict XVI was born on 16 April, the feastday of Saint Benedict Joseph Labre (26 March 1748 - 16 April 1783), also known as the Holy Pilgrim, with whom the Pope now shares both names, Benedict and Joseph. St. Benedict Labre, however, is not associated with olives, Olivetans or Mount Olivet in any way.

Yet another possible interpretation might be that, like his predecessor — who spoke of the Church needing to 'breathe with both lungs' again — Pope Benedict XVI has a special desire to reunite with the Eastern Orthodox churches, which have been separated since 1054 from the Roman Church. The olive can of course be taken as a symbol of Greece, and hence the Greek Orthodox Church (and — by extension — the Russian Orthodox Church which grew out of it). If indeed it turns out that reunion with the 'olive' churches is achieved during Benedict's pontificate (the last time, if only briefly, was at the Council of Florence, the seventeenth Ecumenical Council, 1438‑1445; the Union was intensely unpopular at Constantinople and fell apart after her fall in 1453), it would truly be a glorious achievement worthy of St Malachy's phrase, 'Gloria Olivae'.

Another interpretation was that Gloria Olivae would promote world peace, as symbolised by the olive branch. In a general audience on 27 April 2005, Benedict XVI explained that he chose his regnal name as a link to Benedict XV, Religio depopulata, and that "In his footsteps I place my ministry, in the service of reconciliation and harmony between peoples, profoundly convinced that the great good of peace is above all a gift of God, a fragile and precious gift to be invoked, safeguarded and constructed, day after day and with everyone's contribution".

Also, Pope Benedict XVI is widely expected to restore order and discipline (namely, the rule, Latin regula) within the Catholic church (the sheepfold, L. ovilis, whence ovilia, the place where the sheep lay to rest). This is an imperfect and ungrammatical anagram (de regola ovilia - of the rule of the sheepfold) for the counter-reformation he is expected to introduce to counter the misinterpretations of Vatican Council II.

Another interpretation is that he was a german soldier during WWII but wanted peace instead, and he brought it to pope, hence the glory of the olive.

There was a coincidence of two events, both connected to the olive, but unrelated to each other, with the 2005 Conclave: On April 18, a Turkish presidential candidate won the northern Cyprus elections favouring re-unification peace talks of the two sectors; the flag of Cyprus has two inter-locking olive branches in it. Secondly, on April 20, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi was forced to resign and later form a new government as a result of pressure from the leftist opposition called l'Ulivo ("The Olive Tree"). Even so, a year later on 11th April, 2006, the same Olive Group led by former E.U. Commission President, Romano Prodi ("Produs Romanus"), won the Italian general elections, giving more effect to the olive tree hypothesis.

Clemente Domínguez y Gómez, the late self-proclaimed Pope of the Palmarian Catholic Church also used to claim that he was the glory of the olive.

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Petrus Romanus
*****Note: the authenticity of the following prophecy is in doubt, as it lacks some of the data (such as a number) of the others, may have been added later, and has only been listed once as one of the Papal prophecies.*****

Ominously, the longest and final motto reads, "In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oues in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis ciuitas septicollis diruetur, & Iudex tremêdus iudicabit populum suum. Finis." (During the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, the seat will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed his sheep in many tribulations; and when these things are finished, the seven-hilled city will be destroyed, and the terrible Judge will judge his people. The End.)

Several men claiming to be Pope Peter II have emerged in recent years, probably inspired by this motto.

There are several interpretations regarding the last Popes listed by St. Malachy taken by those who believe the prophecies:

Regarding whether additional Popes, not listed by St. Malachy occur between Gloria Olivae and Petrus Romanus the following differing views are held:
Gloria Olivae is immediately followed by Petrus Romanus.
Because no number is assigned to Petrus Romanus, he and Gloria Olivae might be one and the same pope.
Because no number is assigned to Petrus Romanus, any number of popes could intervene between these two popes.
Because no number is assigned to Petrus Romanus, it is also possible that he will not be an actual pope (that is, that "Peter the Roman" may take on the role of the Pope without putting on the robe of the Pope). Under this possible scenario, a catastrophe at the Vatican -- perhaps a terrorist attack -- could wipe out the top leadership of the Church during either a consistory or a conclave of the College of Cardinals. As a result, with no viable College surviving to elect a new pontiff, this particular scenario would have a surviving official of the Roman Curia succeeding to the top leadership of the Church but not as Pope. Since he would not rise to the Papacy itself but instead would become, in effect, the top caretaker of the Church, he would not need to assume a new papal name such as Peter; thus he would keep the name he has had since his birth in Italy, and that name already would be Peter (or, in Italian, Pietro). Currently (that is, as of March 2006) there is only one such candidate for Petrus Romanus within the Roman Curia. His name is Pietro Parolin, the Vatican Under-Secretary of State for Relations with States, appointed by Pope John Paul II in 2002 to serve under Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo. A native of Schiavon, Italy, Monsignor Parolin was born in January 1955.
That the prophecies are indeed 16th century forgeries.
Regarding whether the Papacy ends with Petrus Romanus, the following differing views are held:
Petrus Romanus will be the final Pope. The end of his papacy will mark either the end of the papacy, the end of the Roman Catholic Church, the Church's final triumph, and/or the end of this world (See: Apocalypse, End of the world, Armageddon, Eschatology).
There will be additional Popes following Petrus Romanus, about which Malachy did not write. There is also the possibility that these additional popes might be considered antipopes, which could justify their omission in St. Malachy's eyes (However, several antipopes are mentioned in the Prophecy.)
If Petrus Romanus was a later and spurious addition to the prophecy, that leaves Gloria Olivae as the last listed Pope. That could still mean that there are or are not more Popes to come.
Many websites claim that Petrus Romanus does not exist at all. A booklet containing the Papal Prophecies written in the 1950's is the only evidence of a Petrus Romanus and was written by a Catholic. "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock among many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city (Rome, the seat of the Vatican) will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge (also) will judge the people. The End

I could not find a better place to post this than in the Father of All lies post' You will see that the prophecies here are uncanny . Also take not that The Next Pope is prophicized as being the last Pope Sorry guys I tried to edit out the double post

Believe it or not fellas this is the Church that Put the Holy Bible together in
300ce under the watchfull eye's of Constatine a Ceaser of Rome . He did everthing but vote . It set up the Forum he sat in at the meetings . He had a huge stake in making sure Paul was included. Fact is he wanted Pauls Revelation included instead of Johns. He wasn't even a Christian till his death bed. Yet the Church made him a Saint. LOL LOL LOL

Originally Posted by Zou

Their not prophets They are witnesses and they bring the bowl of judgement unto the World. They prophecies nothing. They do whats intended of them and get murdered because of their witnessing against the beast. The world rejoices because their murdered they even treat it like a holiday and give each others gifts because of the bowl of judgement poured out against them . Its a 3 day holiday till they rise from the dead on that 3rd day. At they exact moment they all quit celabrating . They do not pass GO they do not collect $200. They go straight to hell.

The Bible describes them as both witnesses and prophets.

Their was no reason for this book to be in the New testament. As it was the cause of many to fall away. Not that it isn't true. But today its talked about more than the Gosphels and the messages it sending isn't good news.

Were as the Gosphel is good news and is what should be read. S many have fallen away from finding the truth because of this .

The Book of Revelation is to the New Testament what the Book of Daniel was to the Old Testament. It is the prophetic uncovering of the ages, of the judgement, and of the glory of Christ. The good news is the salvation of Jesus Christ, the promise from God of a renewed life in heaven for all who accept it.

For a time men were continually told what they were going to be condemned on judgment day, but were not told how to avoid it. That was wrong and I agree that many rejected the non-stop fire and brimstone. I was one of those people. Then a complete transformation took place and the opposite message of joy, peace and love was delivered without any of the old fire and brimstone. And lo and behold, just as many fell away. Why you ask; because they were expecting heaven on earth and at the first test of their faith they gave up.

Hopefull the church and the many congregations within it are beginning to realize that they must present the "whole message" because it does no good to tell a man you have good news and his eternal soul can be saved if you never tell him what he can be saved from. Nor does it do any good to tell a man what he needs saving from if you never tell him how to attain salvation. That is why the Book of Revelation is included in the New Testament. It is absolutely necessary to the salvation of mankind.