Thread: Father of Lies

Originally Posted by Areyouforreal

Sre you sure Revelation is about symbolism? Do you have infinite knowledge that lets you know that?
Even Christians know that the Jews are God's chosen people. It says so in the Bible.
You should care what the Old Testament says. Jesus said that he did not come to abolish the law. Christ said murder was wrong he never said one way or the other about killing.
also where did you get that they were virgins? I never said that.

The Covenant between GOD and the Jews was THE Messiah . Thats what made them Gods Choosen people. After the Christ the covenanant was fullfilled and the Christ said that he was for all peoples not just the jews who rejected him . Christ did not change the law he made it complete. and he did it in a way that proved him righteous and deserving and his teachings were so simple that you know longer needed a pophet to tell the people how to live in Gods grace. Sacrifices were done with his death he was the final blood sacrifice. Remember when Isaac was to be sacrificied and the angle of God stopped it. That is when the Covenant was made between God and the Jews.
The Christ dieing willingly on the cross fulfilled that covenant. Christ himself choose to make that sacrific . Because of Faith.

Faith its the biggest most powerful word in the english language

I am not saying that only jews will get to heaven but that they are God's chosen people. We all can be children of God and be saved but his special favor is with the Jews. God told them that they were hie chosen one and the one thing God can not do is lie. He will never break his covenants.

Originally Posted by Areyouforreal

I am not saying that only jews will get to heaven but that they are God's chosen people. We all can be children of God and be saved but his special favor is with the Jews. God told them that they were hie chosen one and the one thing God can not do is lie. He will never break his covenants.

What part don't you understand the Christ was the fullfillment of the covenanent between God and the Jews. One of the biggest reasons the Jews rejected the Christ was the fact that Christ taught he came for all the people of the world and not just the jews. And that his kingdom was not of this earth but in heaven . It was the Christ who won the battle over death threw his death on the cross (Faith) and than his resurrection. (GODS promise fullfillled)

Now lets get right down to the brass tacks here. If I would have been with Moses at the parting of the red sea. and seen all the other mircles that were performed by God . It would be so easy to have the Faith required to move mountains. Yet these very people who were lead out of slavery . Turned against God the first time Moses left them for a period of time. Even after they witnessed Gods Power . It really doesn't say much for them does it.

The covenant between GOD and the Jews what exactly was it? And when was it fullfilled. If you can ans . both questions than you should also know the the covenant between God and the Jews is completed. The only remaining covenant between GOD and Man is that the Christ died for all of us. And that the kingdom of heaven is for all men . If you just have faith and try to live in the example which was the Christ. Its really quit simple and straight forward.

Zou, sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. I know a lot of people would like to believe that there is some replacement covenant or that there is some way they can become God's chosen, but I'm afraid it's not something that we can control. If most people understood the facts about being God's chosen and the burden it carries with it, they would probably run screaming from the concept. The fact is, many Jews have done just that. Even still, what other people could possibly endure thousands of years of God's expectations and mans' jealousy and hatred?

Despite their sins and rejection of Him, God's covenant with his chosen people (Israel) has not been completed and will not be for some time to come. There is nowhere in the Bible that says God's covenant with Israel has been changed, altered, broken or completed; in fact it says just the opposite. If you need verification of this, please read Genesis 17:7 and 13. They tell you exactly how long God's covenant will last.. it is “an everlasting covenant”. This means that using terms such as “completed” and "fullfilled" with regard to this covenant is an error. God chose Abrahams family for many reasons, not just to deliver Jesus Christ to the world; and He will not be finished with Israel for some time to come. (Rev. 7)

The covenant God made with Abraham is as prevalent today as it was the day God made it. If this was not true, the Jews would not have been returned to the land God promised them as He said they would be. You see, that too was part of the covenant, because it is necessary that Israel be in the land God promised Abraham in order for the Messiah to return. How else could the 3rd Temple be prepared for His return if not for Israel and the covenant God has with his chosen?

Yes we can all receive the salvation God provided through Jesus Christ, but that is a totally different matter and there’s a bit more to receiving that salvation than having faith and trying to live in the example Christ provided. (John 3.3)

Thanks Kix, I couldn't have said it better myself

Originally Posted by Areyouforreal

Thanks Kix, I couldn't have said it better myself

Thank you, I've had a little bit of practice at explaining this. About 25 years worth now.

Well you did a better job than I could have. I spend most of my Bible study time in prophecy

I just hope I've explained it clearly enough for Zou to understand what I'm saying without taking offense to it. Explaining these matters face to face, in person, to a class full of college aged people is one thing, but doing so in one post on a chat board is something else entirely.

If you have read anything Zou has posted then it won't matter what you say. He will not believe you.
Just search and read some of his past posts.

Originally Posted by Kix

Zou, sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. I know a lot of people would like to believe that there is some replacement covenant or that there is some way they can become God's chosen, but I'm afraid it's not something that we can control. If most people understood the facts about being God's chosen and the burden it carries with it, they would probably run screaming from the concept. The fact is, many Jews have done just that. Even still, what other people could possibly endure thousands of years of God's expectations and mans' jealousy and hatred?

Despite their sins and rejection of Him, God's covenant with his chosen people (Israel) has not been completed and will not be for some time to come. There is nowhere in the Bible that says God's covenant with Israel has been changed, altered, broken or completed; in fact it says just the opposite. If you need verification of this, please read Genesis 17:7 and 13. They tell you exactly how long God's covenant will last.. it is “an everlasting covenant”. This means that using terms such as “completed” and "fullfilled" with regard to this covenant is an error. God chose Abrahams family for many reasons, not just to deliver Jesus Christ to the world; and He will not be finished with Israel for some time to come. (Rev. 7)

The covenant God made with Abraham is as prevalent today as it was the day God made it. If this was not true, the Jews would not have been returned to the land God promised them as He said they would be. You see, that too was part of the covenant, because it is necessary that Israel be in the land God promised Abraham in order for the Messiah to return. How else could the 3rd Temple be prepared for His return if not for Israel and the covenant God has with his chosen?

Yes we can all receive the salvation God provided through Jesus Christ, but that is a totally different matter and there’s a bit more to receiving that salvation than having faith and trying to live in the example Christ provided. (John 3.3)

You made some strong points. Problem I have is which time of exile from the Promised land are you referring to. The Messiah did come to the jews threw the family of David. The jews did return from exile in the land we now call Iraq. In order for that prophecy to be fulfilled.
The Christ fullfilled every prophecy given to the Jews concerning the messiah. I am not saying that the jews are not still Gods choosen favorit. But their are no old testment prophecy's that have not been fulfilled threw the Christ none!!!!! For you moslims out their what prophecy's did the false prophet muhammed fulfill that relate to the Turin prophecies or our old testments. No prophecies matter after the Death and resurrection of Christ. They all be false .