I am just curious, do you live in the U.S.? If so how does your mother like it. etc.? It always nice to gain a different perspective.

Yes, i live in California. My mother loves this place more than any place she's ever been too. When my mother was growing up in Iraq, she had about 2 hours of electricity a day. And in that heat, you NEED some electricity. The water from the faucet would vary from hot to cold no matter what you turned on. Don't get me wrong, she loved Iraq. It's the way you had to live under Sadaam that sucked.

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i'm pretty sure the electricity still in not working right in Iraq

Ken, since you are a very concerned citizen, why don't go to Irag and help the people there, of course that wouldn mean you leaving a very safe place and going to defend your Islamic friends.

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Go defend my Islamic friends??? The ones who are killing eachother? ??? Why should I go there, My Family is here and If i do go back to the Middle East it would be to Jordan where my family is from.there are pleny of people to help there.....BTW. I do a lot of charity work right here in the states and consider myself an AMerican Muslim sorry if you do not realize that they exsist and most are productive members of society...sorry if you dont want us here.but Islam is the United States fastest growing religion.....and is growing the fastest in the fastest growing population of the US the Latino community....but do not be scared...I would bet if you live in or even in the suburbs of any large American city you frequent a business owned by Muslims.....Does that scare you????? Does it make you angry?????

I used to wonder why Mr. Bush was doing the things he was doing. It never was clear what he was up to, right? Add in Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and Condoleeza Rice and it just becomes a mess that just can’t be cleaned up.
Then, on August 21, 2006 in the White House he said that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
That meant to me that Iraq is not part of the war on terror.
The next day, August 22, 2006, in Salt Lake City, Utah, he told a bunch of veterans that Iraq is the biggest part of the war on terror.
I wonder if he ain’t the biggest liar I ever heard.
Now I don’t wonder why, I just wonder what he’s going to do next.
I reckon it won’t be too surprising. For some reason - when there is something that he needs to do for the good of the country he don’t do it.
Is this a Judas Priest on hand? Some folks have called him a ‘Witch-King’ (because of the ’W’) but I think that’s a bit much. After all - lots of nice folks voted for him - course - he seems to have deceived them.
When I hear ‘em beatin’ their chests I recall something from Job in the Holy Bible, "Job xli. There is no power on the earth which can be compared with him, who was created that he should fear no one. He beholdeth every high thing, he is king over all the children of pride."
The Bible said that.

Yes I am very much aware of American Muslims. I didn't say I wanted them to leave this country either. I was merely making the statement that if things are bad in Iraq, then maybe you would want to go help them.

By the way I have been reading that American Muslims are starting to get tired of the radicals in their relegion. It's about time. I am a Christian but Fallwell, Pat Robertson and the others don't speak for me.

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Well Ken what you say makes perfect since that the latino community would be the fasest growing sector excepting a false religion. Tell me something were I work the muslims that work their get special prayers rights were they leave the job and go to a special room to do their prayers. The latino's see this and are converting in droves . Its far better to pray than actually be productive worker.

Okay Cranston, I'm still a bit concerned about how you process world issues, but I'll attempt to address at least a few of the issues you've included in this... rant.

1. How is the idea of keeping Iraq together as a country while including officials from the differing factions/states any different from the United States or Great Britain maintaining unity as a country while including the differing factions of politicians and practically every religious ideology known to mankind? Many have said recently that these governments are fragile too and I for one would have to agree.

2. Regarding the Iraqi's getting sick and tired of their government not providing basic services like water and electricity. The fact is, a LOT more Iraqi's have water and electricity now than they had before the war and although I’ve read many claims of such a massive dissatisfaction and have found where a few in western media, because of their own political interested have managed to find a few dozen unhappy people in Iraq but that hardly speaks for the majority. So where is the real evidence proving the majority of the people in Iraq are sick of not getting these things from their new government?

3. Do you have any idea how many members of the U.S. Senate and Congress were on vacation on September 11, 2001? Do you have any idea how many members of the U.S. Senate and Congress are on vacation even when they're sitting in their assigned seats in Washington DC? The same holds true for nearly every European country. So, what's your beef with the Iraqi Parliament taking a few days vacation after all the work they've done in the past year to build a country from the scrap heap Saddam left them? People take vacations during war time; it’s a fact that has existed for a very long time.

4. I don't believe that Donald Rumsfeld or any U.S. General in Iraq ever expected the new government in Iraq, or any individual involved in the new government to agree with everything that is being done. As for the people not being interested in democracy, the only ones I have heard of who disagree are the Saddam loyalists who have every reason to disagree. After all, they were the minority before but held ALL the power; that’s one of the many bad things about a dictatorship.

5. The assessment of the Iraqi people that you and John Stuart Mill apparently share, as being too underdeveloped (ignorant) to form and live by a democracy is not only racist, but shows a considerable ignorance on your part. John Stuart Mill made his statement as an argument for ruling over these people; what's your excuse?

As for your points

Point 1 - You attempt to make it seem as though Americans were placed in government positions in Iraq. Please remember that they were in fact Iraqi’s and that it was merely an interim government that was replaced by an elected government much more quickly than then most Western countries organized their first elected governments after gaining independence from their oppressors.

Point 2 - I have no idea where you got the idea that "Many Iraqis, quite understandably, don’t want Iraq to continue to exist." As stated before, the concept of having separate but equal regions, or states, of people with differing ideas (including religions) within a central government is no different than what the U.S. has had since its beginning. Considering what goes on within the U.S. Senate/Congress and within any given European country and some of the methods of achieving power by Western politicians, up to and including much of what we see happening in Iraq today, I would suggest you ask yourself if all these countries failed to meet this requirement as well.

Point 3. First off, I would challenge you to provide evidence of Americans in Iraq with purple fingers. Furthermore, there is a lot more to maintaining a Representative government than voting in an election, but the U.S. has managed to build one of, if not the strongest government in the world based on the representative concept, despite the differences of the representatives. The U.S. even survived a much more serious "civil war" than anything Iraq is threatened with right now. If the Iraqi people as a whole do not want such a government then why is it that the majority of those violently apposing it are actually from neighboring countries? I would suggest that it is not the Iraqi’s who do not want this government, but their dictatorial tyrant ruled neighbors who want Iraq’s new government to fail so they can move in and take control.

As for the rest of your rant, I can only say that your misconception of Iraq could only lead one to conclude that in your opinion the Iraqi people simply do not deserve any government other than a dictatorship that Saddam Hussein provided, which by the way offered such rewards as “generations lost to ignorance, disease, war, poverty” and “genocide”.

Please provide proof of your claim that Iraq is paying the U.S. back with oil.

Likewise, show me any Middle Eastern government that would like the idea of having a U.S. President that hates them.