View Poll Results: DO THE INSURGENTS IN IRAQ HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL OUR TROOPS?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Cookie Parker View Post
    How about it, Smitty? You want to look at those issues? Nope.

    Who owns CNN and MSN, Smitty? Did you ever check it out? How much to do the mother corporations get in corporate welfare...it has never been liberal media, Smitty...it has been INDEPENDENT media...and they competed with stories and investigations into the truth to get your to buy their papers...now, with CORPORATE media, 5 owners of everything you see and read, there's NO investigations, fluff news, and government propaganda..
    Whats the deal cookie? You have lost every debate agenst me in this thread and have failed to prove jack shit! Now instead of takeing up your arguement you choose someone eltses? Listen dumbass you should read every post between me and storman in this thread before making assumptions! CNN and MSNBC are well knowned liberal media outlets. See here>> List of journalists taking sides - Politics - MSNBC.com Hot Air » Blog Archive » Shocka! Journalists give to Democrats 9-1 Liberal Media Bias
    "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem." Ronald Reagan http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/war...bout-iraq.html

  2. Quote Originally Posted by Cookie Parker View Post
    Sorry, Smitty..we killed thousands of innocents in Iraq..and all over the world in our bumblings going after a "boogey man" who doesn't exist. Remember the school we bombed in Pakistan?
    Prove it! Or is that too much for me to ask?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie Parker View Post
    Raping of Iraqi children. Torturing captives in Iraq....we have done it under American soldiers, too. That's the problem with this war....Bush has lowered the standards of personnel he is taking into the service to fill the ever lack of people joining.
    Rapeing of Iraqi children? Really? How many? This is bushes fault? HOW MANY MARINES HAVE RAPED IRAQIS COOKIE???? Last time I checked the only branch of service that is having small enlistment problems was the Army!


    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie Parker View Post
    When our STATE Department hires mercenaries and does not use PROFESSIONAL soldiers, they ARE representing the US and its policy..who does that more than the State Department? What the Iraqis see are nothing more than Americans killing innocent Iraqis they said they were liberating.
    It has never been the military's jot to provide personel security! Nor shall it ever be! The incidents you hear of are only a few. Why is that you dont bitch about the insergents murdering entire familys? Is it because you would rather talk shit about yur own country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie Parker View Post
    Iraqis dont KNOW democracy. The Shiia want Shiia rule, the Sunni Sunni rule and the neighboring nations all have a stake in it. We have no business being there...IMHO
    Thats why they not only had a higher voter tournout than us but they have passed more legeslation as well? Silly me!



    Arr you ever going to reply to my past posts directed to you or are you going to continue to change the subject? Would you like me to post them again?
    Last edited by Smitty0311; 10-09-2007 at 02:48 PM.
    "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem." Ronald Reagan http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/war...bout-iraq.html

  3. Quote Originally Posted by Smitty0311 View Post
    LOL Thats easy! This is the site you provided me in THIS THREAD! You have also failed to reply to it! Silence is consent!

    U.S. Military Rape in Iraq
    REVOLUTION: Voice of the Revolutionary Communist Party,USA
    Boy your face is red! Liberals love communism!




    You got naled again Cookie! Whats your excuse now??? It just shows that you will use any anti american source to hate your country and talk shit about our troops! your a discrace!

    Throughout the history of the United States, everywhere U.S. soldiers have waged wars or occupations, or been stationed, local women have been treated as the victims and spoils of war. From the bloody frontier wars that began this country, where U.S. soldiers made trophies and souvenirs from the mutilated body parts of Native American women,2 to the rings of brothels and strip clubs surrounding every U.S. overseas base, to the rapes of women in places like the Philippines, South Korea, and Japan, where U.S. soldiers are often immune from prosecution by those country's laws. And this ugly legacy of the U.S. military is alive and well today in Iraq.

    Rape and sexual assault are not just openly tolerated in the U.S. occupation of Iraq—they are encouraged. Look at what happened in Abu Ghraib. Men being forced to masturbate and pose naked. The rapes and sexual assaults of women, men, and children. All captured on thousands of photos depicting smiling soldiers. Soldiers testified that they were doing these things to “soften up” the prisoners for interrogation.

    In an environment where a woman has every reason not to report a rape, it is impossible to know how many women have been raped and abused by U.S. soldiers. Many times women are blamed, shamed and punished for being raped. Woman who are raped know that they could be accused of “staining the family honor” and severely punished, even killed, especially in areas that follow a strict interpretation of Islamic law. (Sharia, or a strict interpretation of the Koran, condemns women to death for being raped—for engaging in the crime of having “sex outside of marriage.”)

    This is the fifth time in only two months that the murder of Iraqi civilians by U.S. troops has come to light. Reuters news service published a timeline of 18 major incidents in three years: In March 2006, U.S. soldiers killed eight people, including a teenage boy, when they raided a home. In February 2006, a U.S. soldier killed an unarmed man in Ramadi and two other soldiers placed an AK-47 by the body, to make it seem that they had just shot an “insurgent” (a tactic taken straight from cops in the United States when they murder people and plant a “throw-down gun.”) National Public Radio reported on June 21 that seven U.S. soldiers killed a 52-year-old disabled man by dragging him into a ditch and shooting him, then throwing a shovel and an AK-47 by his body to make it seem he had been caught in the act of digging a roadside bomb. (See “Chronology: U.S. troops and civilian complaints in Iraq”).

    And then, once again, even after five incidents reported in two months—the official chorus comes out like a sick refrain: “These were bad apples/isolated incidents/aberrations.”

    But these crimes are NOT aberrations. They are a concentration of and reflect the very nature of the U.S. military and the U.S. occupation of Iraq: The constant fear of being killed at a wedding, or when walking down the street, or in your home. The sickening knowledge that your teenage daughter is being stalked by armed occupiers. The fear that you could be shot dead in an instant when driving through a checkpoint or whenever U.S. troops knock on your door. The daily humiliation of checkpoints and leering U.S. soldiers.

    This is the nature of the U.S. occupation. And the unofficial policies of rape and murder are designed to break the spirit of the Iraqi people. The U.S. is enforcing a hated and brutal occupation on the people of Iraq. And an indispensable part of this is inculcating soldiers with a colonial mentality that treats the Iraqi people as subhuman and considers their lives worth nothing. Rapes, massacres, and brutal torture are inevitable when you have such a mentality, encouraged and backed from the highest levels of the military and up to the White House.
    February 8, 2006 Headlines | Rape fears lead women soldiers to suicide, death

    Sexualized Violence Against Female Soldiers Going Largely Unpunished - The NewStandard

    Sexualized Violence Against Female Soldiers Going Largely Unpunished - The NewStandard

    Women's Rights Violations Still Pervasive in U.S. Military

    Sorry...but this is not a negotiable issue on it is not true..this is a fact...and it is not now nor ever has been addressed by a republican president.
    http://americanpoliticsandmore.com/forum/index.php


    When you want to know the truth, search all articles available on your topic. The truth lies somewhere between it all.


  4. OK DUMBASS TELL ME WHERE I SAID THAT IT WASNT FACT? YOU ALSO HAVENT PROVED TO ME THAT MARINES RAPED A 14 YEAR OLD GIRL! IM WAITING COOKIE! IF YOU CANT PROVE IT THEN ADMIT YOUR WRONG AND APOLOGISE TO MY BELOVED MARINE CORPS!

    QUIT QUOTING COMMUNIST SITES!
    "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem." Ronald Reagan http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/war...bout-iraq.html

  5. I HATE IT WHEN LIBERALS TRY TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT SINCE SOME SOLDIER RAPED A GIRL THE WHOLE MILITARY IS RAPING IRAQI GIRLS! YOUR A FUCKING DISCRACE COOKIE! LIBERALS WILL SAY ANYTHING TO MAKE THEIR COUNTRY LOOK BAD IN AN EFFORT TO PULL OUT OF IRAQ! THEN THEY WILL TOURN AROUND AND CALL YOU AN ANTI AMERICAN. WHAT SINCE DOES THAT MAKE? WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME COOKIE REPORTED SOMETHING GOOD ABOUT IRAQ?
    "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem." Ronald Reagan http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/war...bout-iraq.html

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Smitty0311 View Post
    Prove it! Or is that too much for me to ask?



    Rapeing of Iraqi children? Really? How many? This is bushes fault? HOW MANY MARINES HAVE RAPED IRAQIS COOKIE???? Last time I checked the only branch of service that is having small enlistment problems was the Army!




    It has never been the military's jot to provide personel security! Nor shall it ever be! The incidents you hear of are only a few. Why is that you dont bitch about the insergents murdering entire familys? Is it because you would rather talk shit about yur own country?



    Thats why they not only had a higher voter tournout than us but they have passed more legeslation as well? Silly me!



    Arr you ever going to reply to my past posts directed to you or are you going to continue to change the subject? Would you like me to post them again?
    Sorry....it has never been the state's department job to be in themiddle of a war,..this one is for oil...they are trying to shape the government..this is not a free will for Iraqis or they would have Blackwater.

    they had to be told to get out and what to do..and they voted for just the person Bush first appointed. Bush was not happy with him and we ended up with this second president.

    Smitty...this is very easy to follow up and read...it would save a lot of my having to educate you...just read it Smitty.

    This is a Bush puppet government who does NOT want us there now and WANTS to try Blackwater for murder in their country because Blackwater is NOT under the UCMJ jurisdiction nor ANY jurisdiction of the US....

    Isn't that a democracy?
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Smitty0311 View Post
    I HATE IT WHEN LIBERALS TRY TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT SINCE SOME SOLDIER RAPED A GIRL THE WHOLE MILITARY IS RAPING IRAQI GIRLS! YOUR A FUCKING DISCRACE COOKIE! LIBERALS WILL SAY ANYTHING TO MAKE THEIR COUNTRY LOOK BAD IN AN EFFORT TO PULL OUT OF IRAQ! THEN THEY WILL TOURN AROUND AND CALL YOU AN ANTI AMERICAN. WHAT SINCE DOES THAT MAKE? WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME COOKIE REPORTED SOMETHING GOOD ABOUT IRAQ?
    Out of context is ALL you republicans have...you implied that the terrorists were the insurgents or the Iraqis who wanted us out and we were the angels.

    I had a son in the invasion...of course I support our troops..they have NO leadership in this over there that's backed by the president..they are being told what to do by civilian personnel...this is NOT an organized war it is a stall job to get oil from the nation..which is doing a disservice to our country and soldiers.

    Bush has lowered the standards in the military and many nazi heads are in there now creating these situations, along with those with PTSD who are returned to combat and those serving 15 months and longer in this war area...there are reasons for this, but it does not make it right anymore than it makes it better than the insurgents.

    This is a civil war, Smitty, that has been going on for longer than the US was a white nation. They have killed each other for centuries..they expect it..they don't like the Americans being there torturing and raping their citizens under the guise of giving them "democracy". See?
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Cookie Parker View Post
    Sorry....it has never been the state's department job to be in themiddle of a war,..this one is for oil...they are trying to shape the government..this is not a free will for Iraqis or they would have Blackwater.
    So establishing and maintaining deplomacy and working for an political victory isnt the state departments job? Liberals are always talking about the political victory that we need and cookie is over here saying that the state dept has no business there? What an Idiot!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie Parker View Post
    they had to be told to get out and what to do..and they voted for just the person Bush first appointed. Bush was not happy with him and we ended up with this second president.
    Cookie I have no idea what your talking about here. I cant make any since of it. How does this fit in with my last statement? Why cant you argue me word from word as I am doing to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie Parker View Post
    Smitty...this is very easy to follow up and read...it would save a lot of my having to educate you...just read it Smitty.
    What is?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie Parker View Post
    This is a Bush puppet government who does NOT want us there now and WANTS to try Blackwater for murder in their country because Blackwater is NOT under the UCMJ jurisdiction nor ANY jurisdiction of the US....

    Isn't that a democracy?
    You want to lable all of blackwater for the actions of a few just like you do the military! Your a discrace!
    "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem." Ronald Reagan http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/war...bout-iraq.html

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Smitty0311 View Post
    OK DUMBASS TELL ME WHERE I SAID THAT IT WASNT FACT? YOU ALSO HAVENT PROVED TO ME THAT MARINES RAPED A 14 YEAR OLD GIRL! IM WAITING COOKIE! IF YOU CANT PROVE IT THEN ADMIT YOUR WRONG AND APOLOGISE TO MY BELOVED MARINE CORPS!

    QUIT QUOTING COMMUNIST SITES!
    FOXNews.com - U.S. Investigators Ask to Exhume Body of Alleged Iraqi Rape Victim - Iraq | War | Map


    News Hounds: Coverage of Haditha shootings, FOX News style: Smear Decorated Veteran John Murtha, Give Deferential Treatment To Suspected Felon Ann Coulter

    Show me where it never happened with one of your corporate elite media sites...its' simple Smitty...prove me wrong with your sites..
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Smitty0311 View Post
    So establishing and maintaining deplomacy and working for an political victory isnt the state departments job? Liberals are always talking about the political victory that we need and cookie is over here saying that the state dept has no business there? What an Idiot!



    Cookie I have no idea what your talking about here. I cant make any since of it. How does this fit in with my last statement? Why cant you argue me word from word as I am doing to you?



    What is?



    You want to lable all of blackwater for the actions of a few just like you do the military! Your a discrace!
    Blackwater is a corporation of 1,900 people. the military has over 160,000 representing all different branches...you do the math, sport. Blackwater is paid a lot better than soldiers...your not holding them to a higher standard makes you what? And show me where only a few are involved..this behavior from Blackwater has been going on since the war began...but you show me this one isolated incident...
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