Talks with Iran?

wvpeach · #11 (**permalink**) 10-03-2007, 12:40 AM

The reason I am wondering if this is a myth is that I listened to his Columbia speech and he said no such thing. he said he'd like to see Israel give back some territory to Palestine and that the world needs to help stop the suffering of the Palestinian people. At least at the Columbia speech he was talking peace between Christians , Jews and Muslims world wide.

And he said Iran does not want nuclear weapons. He said the world has enough nukes why make more.

Of coarse he said that Iran does not have Gay people with a smile on his face.

So if anybody has a transcript that can prove this is not a myth I would appreciate it. Since we are thinking of bombing them I would really like to know.

noneof yourbusiness · #12 (**permalink**) 10-03-2007, 12:54 AM

Talk is cheap and Iran can not attack Isreal even if it wanted to. Im sure rhetoric is overblown by the us for propaganda. IM sure this guy is a nut. Either way the threat isnt there. And uhh...what the hell is the differnce between Muslim and Chrisitan Armegeddon?

Smitty0311 · #13 (**permalink**) 10-03-2007, 07:56 AM

[quote=noneof yourbusiness;229293]Talk is cheap and Iran can not attack Isreal even if it wanted to.QUOTE]

Hey fella! Wake up! Iran is funding attacks on Isreal! Iran is funding Hesbolla!

noneof yourbusiness · #14 (**permalink**) 10-03-2007, 07:59 AM

yoru a ragin buffon. I already drew you a map retard. YOu show me there Semdly Butler wanneb. How they get over there. They cant. They dont have the legs and they arent just flying through the Americans. Dumbshit.

Smitty0311 · #15 (**permalink**) 10-03-2007, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness

yoru a ragin buffon. I already drew you a map retard. YOu show me there Semdly Butler wanneb. How they get over there. They cant. They dont have the legs and they arent just flying through the Americans. Dumbshit.

So your saying that Iran isnt funding Hesbolla? Last time i checked money does fly!

itsplayed · #16 (**permalink**) 10-03-2007, 03:09 PM

October 26, 2005

"Israel must be wiped off the map … The establishment of a Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world . . . The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of the war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land."

(In an address to 4,000 students at a program titled, 'The World Without Zionism')

Smitty0311 · #17 (**permalink**) 10-04-2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by itsplayed

October 26, 2005

"Israel must be wiped off the map … The establishment of a Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world . . . The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of the war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land."

(In an address to 4,000 students at a program titled, 'The World Without Zionism')

Ok NOYB. Are you not convinced now?

mulp · #18 (**permalink**) 10-04-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Smitty0311

I see that liberals are afraid to weigh in on this poll! They know talks with Iran are a joke!

You question was as stupid as asking if Iran negotiating with the Governor of Florida would work; he has no foreign relations responsibility or authority; he was sent to the US like Colin Powell was, to make statements to the media.

You must admit that he gets far more attention than the Iranians who are responsible for foreign policy do from the Bush administration or the US media. Lost on them is the role Iran played in the Afghanistan action assisting the US and NATO. Iran had been dealing with the Taliban as an enemy for a long time because they were trained in Saudi Salafi Islam an radicalized to be intolerant of anyone that didn't hew to Salafi Sunni faith.

Today marks an interesting day to respond with the reports and acknowledgments of the Bush administration running secret prison in various parts of the world in secret from the people of the nations in which they operate, using rules that were secretly developed by the Bush administration and kept secret from not just the people but also Congress.

We also hear that the Bush administration has detained in Iraq a member of the sovereign government of Iraq contravening the Constitution of a sovereign Iraq. In other words, meddling in the political affairs of Iraq.

So basically, the Bush administration is doing everything it accuses Iran of doing. Remember that Bush has advocated building more new nuclear weapons because he doesn't think the current 10,000 nukes are sufficient to protect America.

So, it amounts to Bush not being able to negotiate with himself because Iran has simply responded as the US has. Game theory says this will be a standoff until both are willing to change their game stategy and time is short for Hill to come into fix this Bush mess because Korea still has some months of work remaining before a significant milestone that won't be backtracked.

My guess is that a new president would be able to open relations with Iran in six months with an exchange of ambassadors in a year. All it requires is recognizing that nuclear weapons are of not use other than as a last resort in an invasion, but even then extremely ineffective response.

mulp · #19 (**permalink**) 10-04-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

The reason I am wondering if this is a myth is that I listened to his Columbia speech and he said no such thing. he said he'd like to see Israel give back some territory to Palestine and that the world needs to help stop the suffering of the Palestinian people. At least at the Columbia speech he was talking peace between Christians , Jews and Muslims world wide.

And he said Iran does not want nuclear weapons. He said the world has enough nukes why make more.

Of coarse he said that Iran does not have Gay people with a smile on his face.

So if anybody has a transcript that can prove this is not a myth I would appreciate it. Since we are thinking of bombing them I would really like to know.

Name one Evangelical that admits that there are any gays in America.

They all argue that what most people call gays are really sinners chosing to live a sinful gay lifestyle.

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Haggard's quick conversion draws skepticism from conservative Christians

Reports that disgraced U.S. evangelical leader Ted Haggard, felled last year in a gay sex scandal, had gone "straight" with the aid of therapy may not have surprised conservative Christians who argue that sexual orientation is a choice. But what did surprise some who also "made the switch" but took years to do so was the speed of the declared transformation: three weeks.

In the eyes of many conservative U.S. Christians, homosexuality is a sinful lifestyle choice that can be reversed through prayer and counsel. Gay activists say they don't choose their sexual orientation and there is nothing sinful about it.

"The entire underpinning of America's antigay industry is that homosexuality is a choice and they can never move off of that position because if they do, everything crumbles around them," said Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. "Haggard's people have to say it is a slip because to say otherwise is to admit that God creates gay people."

Haggard's quick conversion draws skepticism from conservative Christians | News | Advocate.com

So, if Bush were asked about gays, if he were answering to only his conservative Christian audience, he would say "no gays," too.

RASTAMAN · #20 (**permalink**) 10-04-2007, 10:20 PM

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Will talks with Ahmadinijad work?

Besides talking to Iran.....The Bush Crime family may also have to contend with China and Russia as well. Who knows China and Russia may side with Iran!......Then what?

What do you think about that GENERAL SMITTY. Hopefully, General Betraus has started develping contengency plans for Dealing with Russia and China, should President Cheney decide to order Vice President Bush to bomb IRAN!!!!