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View Poll Results: IS IRAN A THREAT TO THE US?
YES IRAN IS A THREAT TO THE US 13 38.24%
NO IRAN IS NOT A THREAT TO THE US 14 41.18%
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Old 09-28-2007, 01:36 PM
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I sincerely wish I knew what you said. I am sure it was quite pithy
its pretty easy to read. Keep up with that hooked on phonics.
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Old 09-28-2007, 08:08 PM
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its pretty easy to read. Keep up with that hooked on phonics.
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Old 09-28-2007, 08:21 PM
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Considering the fact that they are killing our soldiers, trying to develop nukes, are calling for the extermination of Israel, kidnapped our people in 1979 and are supplying arms and finances to those terrorist group in iraq then I'd say yeah. They are probably the biggest threat America has in the world. Not just the region.
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Old 09-28-2007, 08:31 PM
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So, the fact they have been killing US citizens and soldiers since the 1970's has no bearing on anything?
Come on NBF, there is killing going on for both sides. Remember you and I would be killing the soldiers of a foreign army occupying the United States.....would we not!
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Old 09-29-2007, 11:23 PM
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Nathanbforrest, it isn't like blaming the United States but rather accrediting a false victory to the French and British, who simply didn't deserve it. Then the bullshit victors immposed a rediculous treaty upon the world, esspecially Germany and under the circumstances, Hitler and co, lead Germany into the only option they had for recovery.
In answer to your question, Germany was no threat to the United States in 1941. That is to say, I don't know what a future would hold, had the situation been different after that time.
And YES, you are right in assuming that America had no place in the Great War To End All Wars. You should have left it for us stupid people to settle. I believe that your incursion into that war, facilitated the next one in the form it was.
We learned one thing from WWI, that is, we are all stupid.
We learned nothing from WWII, that we didn't already know about ourselves.
We have learned nothing from any of the conflicts, since then.
Nations do not want to resolve situations where there is no profit. Voters don't really want to question there prime choice elect and humans generally dont need persuation to allow you to make the choice for them. If we want to learn from our mistakes we gotta change all this. So far we have yet to change one.
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Old 09-30-2007, 12:30 AM
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A picture of AHMADINEJAD with one of 52 hostages in Tehran 1979.
Let's say that is him, and who knows, what's the problem. Iran held hostages trying to force the US to extradite a criminal guilting of murder, torture, graft, violating civil rights, treason over turning the Iran Constitution, and who knows what more.

In similar cases, the US has invaded: Panama to extradite Noriaga, Iraq to take Saddam to justice, the several dozen people the US disappeared from places like Germany, et al via the CIA to secret CIA torture camps and then to gitmo.

As for terrorism, Iran is a bad example given the US using terrorism and other violence to overthrow a democracy and install the Shah as dictator, something very much in still in the minds of Iranians.

The US wasn't all that concerned with the Shah, the dictator moving toward nuclear weapons, and the US was quite happy to approve the sale of nuclear reactors to Iran in the 70s, along with the $2B in prepayments. Then when the people of Iran threw out the dictator, the US canceled the reactors and froze the funds. So, it is clear that the US does not keep contracts and cavalierily voids contracts. The US is not to be trusted as far as Iran is concerned because the US has never acted in good faith when it comes to Iran.

So, tell me, if a crook swindles you, and then demands that you only do business with him, and he prevents you from doing business with anyone else, and then objects when you do it yourself, are you going to trust them?

And it is ironic that Bush thought that the military coup overthrowing a democratic government in Pakistan was a good thing, and he has since been best buddies with a dictator who is both Islamic, a sponsor of terrorism, and has nukes.

Why are you ok with Pakistan having nukes, harboring Osama, and maybe on the verge of a civil war that might follow the course seen in Lebanon.

Aren't you afraid that Osama will get his hands on Pakistan's nukes or that Pakistan will nuke Israel or Germany? Why aren't you afraid of Pakistan giving Osama a nuke to deliver to the US after the civil war?

I think that you are just tools of the people who are still carrying grudges against the people of Iran, Cuba, etc, because the people rejected the US selected dictator to oversee US exploitation of their wealth in resources. The people of Cuba got rid of the US corporations and you are pissed that the Cuban people are better off than when the US capitalists were ripping them off. The people of Iran got rid of the US corporations and you are pissed that the Iranian people are better off than when the US capitalists were ripping them off. and so on.

If you want war, then go get a job working for Blackwater, and I'm sure they will find some war you can fight in. But don't try to drag the US into your war ambitions.
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Old 09-30-2007, 12:42 AM
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Nathanbforrest, it isn't like blaming the United States but rather accrediting a false victory to the French and British, who simply didn't deserve it. Then the bullshit victors immposed a rediculous treaty upon the world, esspecially Germany and under the circumstances, Hitler and co, lead Germany into the only option they had for recovery.
In answer to your question, Germany was no threat to the United States in 1941. That is to say, I don't know what a future would hold, had the situation been different after that time.
And YES, you are right in assuming that America had no place in the Great War To End All Wars. You should have left it for us stupid people to settle. I believe that your incursion into that war, facilitated the next one in the form it was.
We learned one thing from WWI, that is, we are all stupid.
We learned nothing from WWII, that we didn't already know about ourselves.
We have learned nothing from any of the conflicts, since then.
Nations do not want to resolve situations where there is no profit. Voters don't really want to question there prime choice elect and humans generally dont need persuation to allow you to make the choice for them. If we want to learn from our mistakes we gotta change all this. So far we have yet to change one.
The US strategy of WWII which opened up multiple fronts rather than a single front in France diluted Germany's ability to fight the USSR with the result that the USSR was able to invade and occupy almost all of eastern Europe.

The US relations the parties in Asia also benefited the USSR and helped the communists in China gain power and take control of a lot more territory. The US should not have cut off resources to Japan, and instead sought to break Japan awy from Germany. Which would have been worse, a very capitalist and highly focused on industrialization Japan or the China that destroyed all the schools and structure of society and turned everyone into peasant farmers, as well as Korea, Vietnam, etc. While Japan might have been totalitarian, so to were the governments the US helped install in the nations we helped liberate.

Hindsight is 20-20, of course, but the US knew more about the world in the 30s and 40s then we do now, and worse, the US prepared for war in the 40s while Bush has just started them assuming that those WWII troops will liberate Iraq, Iran, etc. because those 10 million soldier were just great. He can't quite grasp the part that they got out of the service, got GI bill, did the civil rights movements, and stuff and are now dying off.
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Old 09-30-2007, 12:56 AM
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Considering the fact that they are killing our soldiers, trying to develop nukes, are calling for the extermination of Israel, kidnapped our people in 1979 and are supplying arms and finances to those terrorist group in iraq then I'd say yeah. They are probably the biggest threat America has in the world. Not just the region.
List all the US citizens Iran has killed.

What is wrong with calling for regime change? Bush does it all the time.

And the US sells more weapons than any nation in the world if you to by dollar value. Of course, those are useless weapons, so they are just US government welfare to US war machine makers. The real weapons are make all over the world thanks to the power of industrialization that is the result of US trade policies that favor poorer nations buying subsized food from the US, forcing people off the land into cities where they work cheap in factories.

Iran has a focus on high skills, having a 5000 year history of civilization.

And I found the reports of the killing of the most dangerous man in Iraq, so Tunisan, which I really don't think is in Iran. How is it that the Bush administration never talks about those they call allies in this war supplying the terrorists that are killing Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan? Are the US soldiers killed by Saudi terrorists or with Saudi money somehow less dead than those killed by Iraqi Shia?

So, anyway, list the names of the US citizens that Iran has killed, time and place. Specifics, not the kind of crap that we had five years ago, the "everyone knows Saddam has WMDs." If you can't find the list of names of people Iran has killed, then try producing the list of WMDs found in Iraq.
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Old 09-30-2007, 01:32 AM
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Ahmadinijad offers to share nuclear technology to the islamic world.
What is wrong with sharing nuclear technology?

When Pakistan shared nuclear technology with Korea, Libya, and who knows who else, maybe Iran, maybe not, and wouldn't tell Bush about the specifics of this sharing, Bush rewarded Pakistan's integrity with a $2B military aid package, not to mention the preferred buddy status only a few people get with Bush.

So, if you could get and share nuclear technology in order to get on Bush's good buddy list, wouldn't you do it. Of course, you might need to overthrow a democracy with a military coup, in order to get Bush's respect.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:28 PM
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Let's wait until the Islamic Assholes kill a few 100,000 Americans, and then we blame Bush for not protecting us... The Liberal View.
How many innocent Iraq's has Bush killed directly and indirectly over the last 4 years? Dumb ass Knuckle Dragging Conservatives like you think its okay for our country to slaughter innocent civilians in other countries and not expect the THE CHICKENS TO COME HOME AND ROOST.

You need to grow the Fuck Up Realist1, third world countries will nolonger stand by in the 21st century and allow American imperialism and interventions to kill their love ones w/o exacting revenge.

Walking with a big stick like you conservatives want to do, will end up causing innocent Americans to be killed as well.
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