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09-17-2007, 01:53 PM
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Well, the same argument was made about Vietnam. We aren't communist.
We still speak English...well, most of us anyway, and the vietnamese don't speak a lot of Spanish!
"domino effect" is just talking points, not reality.
public tax money has been used to accomodate many things and groups in this country. Christians hold the bulk of the power in this country, and derive the bulk of it's benefits. I don't see THAT changing in my lifetime, although, as an agnostic, I would like to
I don't see a theocracy of any sort ever taking hold here. Not without HUGE amounts of bloodshed anyway.
As I said, get real.
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Nobody ever said the communist would take over America if we lost Vietnam. The domino effect referred to the Far East and some of that has come to pass, but I will admit it has not been overwhelming for the Communist.
However, the Muslims are not the communist and the takeover made by Muslims over the past 30 years is amazing. Its not a question of "getting real" and like others of your persuasion you find arrogance and condecension to be superior to actual debate. Its a question at looking at the goals of the radical Muslims and Al Queda and understanding the possibilities.
Suppose the extremist took over Iraq, Iran and others in the area and cut off our oil supply from the Middle East. Yes, I am aware that we can still get oil from Canada and South America but at what cost? When the supply is reduced the 15 or 20% what will happen to the cost of that oil? What will happen to the economy of the United States at that point? We depend on our automobiles, our jobs are miles from our homes, all of the goods in the United States move millions of miles yearly to get to its final markets. What happens when its 10 or 12 dollars for a gallon of diesel fuel or gasoline? What happens when it cost over $600.00 a month to heat your homes in the winter?
These may be "worst case" scenerios but your party survives on worst case scenerios when it suits your needs.
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09-17-2007, 01:56 PM
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Well, the same argument was made about Vietnam. We aren't communist.
We still speak English...well, most of us anyway, and the vietnamese don't speak a lot of Spanish!
"domino effect" is just talking points, not reality.
public tax money has been used to accomodate many things and groups in this country. Christians hold the bulk of the power in this country, and derive the bulk of it's benefits. I don't see THAT changing in my lifetime, although, as an agnostic, I would like to
I don't see a theocracy of any sort ever taking hold here. Not without HUGE amounts of bloodshed anyway.
As I said, get real.
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Public tax money is not spent on religious benefits such as I have discribed. You cannot even put up, at your own expense, a Christian Icon on public property so please don't try to spin that tax money is being spent on specific Christian projects. It just ain't true Charlie
It won't take bloodshed, it will take a population that doesn't give a shit. A population that the liberals in this country are rapidly cultivating
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09-17-2007, 02:08 PM
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Nobody ever said the communist would take over America if we lost Vietnam. The domino effect referred to the Far East and some of that has come to pass, but I will admit it has not been overwhelming for the Communist.
However, the Muslims are not the communist and the takeover made by Muslims over the past 30 years is amazing. Its not a question of "getting real" and like others of your persuasion you find arrogance and condecension to be superior to actual debate. Its a question at looking at the goals of the radical Muslims and Al Queda and understanding the possibilities.
Suppose the extremist took over Iraq, Iran and others in the area and cut off our oil supply from the Middle East. Yes, I am aware that we can still get oil from Canada and South America but at what cost? When the supply is reduced the 15 or 20% what will happen to the cost of that oil? What will happen to the economy of the United States at that point? We depend on our automobiles, our jobs are miles from our homes, all of the goods in the United States move millions of miles yearly to get to its final markets. What happens when its 10 or 12 dollars for a gallon of diesel fuel or gasoline? What happens when it cost over $600.00 a month to heat your homes in the winter?
These may be "worst case" scenerios but your party survives on worst case scenerios when it suits your needs.
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My party? What is that? I"m NOT a Democrat. I'm far to the left of most Democrats....
As for oil supply, all the more reason to get an Apollo type program going for alternative energy, something the Republicans have been especially good at killing any real efforts on.
I still say there is no danger of a muslim takeover.
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09-17-2007, 02:12 PM
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Public tax money is not spent on religious benefits such as I have discribed. You cannot even put up, at your own expense, a Christian Icon on public property so please don't try to spin that tax money is being spent on specific Christian projects. It just ain't true Charlie
It won't take bloodshed, it will take a population that doesn't give a shit. A population that the liberals in this country are rapidly cultivating
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In God We trust is all over our money, that certainly costs money for tooling.
I'm agnostic, who's god is that referring to? Not mine, and more than likely something foisted on me by Christians.
"One nation, under God?" Hmmmm...once again, I'm guessing they aren't referring to a pagan god or gods...so which one are they referring too?
Besides, you Christians are so busy trying to figure out which denomination has the correct interpretation you can't even present a unified Christianity.
Believe me, if what you are talking about is to come about, it WILL take bloodshed.
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09-17-2007, 02:13 PM
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It won't take bloodshed, it will take a population that doesn't give a shit. A population that the liberals in this country are rapidly cultivating
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Actually I think a bigger problem is the culture of consumption and greed being espoused by the far right.
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09-17-2007, 02:14 PM
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My party? What is that? I"m NOT a Democrat. I'm far to the left of most Democrats....
As for oil supply, all the more reason to get an Apollo type program going for alternative energy, something the Republicans have been especially good at killing any real efforts on.
I still say there is no danger of a muslim takeover.
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Right alternative energy like ethanol or wind power or solar power or cow farts. Workable energy sources like nuclear power is fought against, not by the Republicans but by your group, the far left eco nazis. Drilling for oil in Alaska or off shore is fought against. Why, because you squirells think that if we all just sit around thinking good thoughts why we can come up with energy sources that have no negative effects.
To you I say
GET REAL
As far as the muslim takeover, I hope to Allah you are right
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09-17-2007, 02:17 PM
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It won't take bloodshed, it will take a population that doesn't give a shit. A population that the liberals in this country are rapidly cultivating
Like nmot giving a shit about welafrre poor
most of the woprld
the city of New orlleans
datahs in afghnistan and Iraq
fuck off you ignorant shit.
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09-17-2007, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45
Right alternative energy like ethanol or wind power or solar power or cow farts. Workable energy sources like nuclear power is fought against, not by the Republicans but by your group, the far left eco nazis. Drilling for oil in Alaska or off shore is fought against. Why, because you squirells think that if we all just sit around thinking good thoughts why we can come up with energy sources that have no negative effects.
To you I say
GET REAL
As far as the muslim takeover, I hope to Allah you are right
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There are MANY alternatives. The Republicans are only willing to support established large corporate forms of energy supply. It's all about money, when it needs to be about providing energy.
...and yeah, I'm pretty confident we aren't going to be taken over. We'll collapse under our own weight first, and that seems entirely possible to me.
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09-17-2007, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45
Right alternative energy like ethanol or wind power or solar power or cow farts. Workable energy sources like nuclear power is fought against, not by the Republicans but by your group, the far left eco nazis. Drilling for oil in Alaska or off shore is fought against. Why, because you squirells think that if we all just sit around thinking good thoughts why we can come up with energy sources that have no negative effects.
To you I say
GET REAL
As far as the muslim takeover, I hope to Allah you are right
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Frankly this shows that you haven't heard anything scientists are saying about oil. While we are throwing out a massive amount of grease that could be used to run cars throughout the country, we will run out of oil, and unless alot more pops up out of no where then we wont have any before very long.
You say get real. I say make "real" good.
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09-18-2007, 08:31 AM
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I just said their was marginal improvement, just not that much, and who knows for how long...
and at many other levels things are still worse than pre invasion....
What a fucking moron. Come back when you get a brain.
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