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04-12-2007, 12:27 PM
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Lets move away from Rap, that was only an example. Lets look at the entire issue. Can you not like black "culture" in general and not be racist? Some call Jews a race or Arabs a race (which they are not) Can you be pro Isreal for example and ot be racist against Arabs?
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Nathan, your initial question is a very good one. There was a study done on violence in Tulsa recently. They have a very high crime rate (already 20 murders this year). It was found that the majority of crime happened in a 15 block radius or something like that. This is a predominately black area. Now the questions are:
1. Is it black culture that causes this violence?
2. Is there a sub-culture within that particular culture?
3. Are there other extenuating circumstances?
I don't think it's racist to dislike a culture that breeds violence. In the above study I know that not everyone within that 15 block radius is violent. There are probably many wonderful people in these neighborhoods, but does the "culture" make violence acceptable?
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04-12-2007, 12:32 PM
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I am in living a militay society where all culture/religions/races mesh together. 
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I have to disagree. There is a long history of cultural differences causing problems in the military and I read an article the other day about how the armed forces are now having to deal with gangs taking their battles inside the military to get training they can't get out on the streets and spread their gangland culture to other parts of the world. I can't find that specific article but here are a couple of other articles.
FBI says U.S. criminal gangs are using military to spread their reach
Gang Activity In The Military
That sounds pretty cultural to me.
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04-12-2007, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by freedomlover
Nathan, your initial question is a very good one. There was a study done on violence in Tulsa recently. They have a very high crime rate (already 20 murders this year). It was found that the majority of crime happened in a 15 block radius or something like that. This is a predominately black area. Now the questions are:
1. Is it black culture that causes this violence?
2. Is there a sub-culture within that particular culture?
3. Are there other extenuating circumstances?
I don't think it's racist to dislike a culture that breeds violence. In the above study I know that not everyone within that 15 block radius is violent. There are probably many wonderful people in these neighborhoods, but does the "culture" make violence acceptable?
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Hmmmm...does a culture breed violence? Or is it something else? Perhaps individual upbringing or circumstances within a person's life?
I think it's too much of a blanket statement to say an individual culture breeds violence.
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04-12-2007, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by freedomlover
Nathan, your initial question is a very good one. There was a study done on violence in Tulsa recently. They have a very high crime rate (already 20 murders this year). It was found that the majority of crime happened in a 15 block radius or something like that. This is a predominately black area. Now the questions are:
1. Is it black culture that causes this violence?
2. Is there a sub-culture within that particular culture?
3. Are there other extenuating circumstances?
I don't think it's racist to dislike a culture that breeds violence. In the above study I know that not everyone within that 15 block radius is violent. There are probably many wonderful people in these neighborhoods, but does the "culture" make violence acceptable?
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There are some other interesting scientific studies that correlate VIOLENCE with TESTOSTERONE LEVELS..........HAVE SOME SOY ????
MAYBE SOME WATER.........how about some fresh breath of CHEMTRAIL or EXHAUST FUMES
YOU DO NOT GET TO BAN ANGER OR VIOLENCE OR MEN, without upseting the NATURAL ORDER..........To seek CONTROL is ALWAYS WRONG.....to give it to its proper KING...ASK GOD,is how it works.
honest injun.....mans laws are fucked:-I
who'da thought it figures.......( DO THE MATH)
Its like gertting a free ride when you've already paid.
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04-12-2007, 01:02 PM
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Hmmmm...does a culture breed violence? Or is it something else? Perhaps individual upbringing or circumstances within a person's life?
I think it's too much of a blanket statement to say an individual culture breeds violence.
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5 a : the integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon the capacity for learning and transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations b : the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group; also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (as diversions or a way of life) shared by people in a place or time <popular culture> <southern culture> c : the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization <a corporate culture focused on the bottom line> d : the set of values, conventions, or social practices associated with a particular field, activity, or societal characteristic <studying the effect of computers on print culture> <changing the culture of materialism will take time -- Peggy O'Mara>
It is culture within this radius. It has nothing to do with race. Within this radius there are probably many social behaviors that have become acceptable, passed on to the next generation and therefore has become a "culture" within this area. Violence is one of those behaviors.
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04-12-2007, 01:12 PM
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I don't think that culture causes violence, as much as it has become acceptable to be violent.
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04-12-2007, 02:24 PM
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I would suggest you point out the difference to Rastaman, IHNR and Spitty
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You are not getting off the hook, It just makes you a biggot. I am a biggot, I hate NASCAR and WWF.
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04-12-2007, 02:39 PM
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I have to disagree. There is a long history of cultural differences causing problems in the military and I read an article the other day about how the armed forces are now having to deal with gangs taking their battles inside the military to get training they can't get out on the streets and spread their gangland culture to other parts of the world. I can't find that specific article but here are a couple of other articles.
FBI says U.S. criminal gangs are using military to spread their reach
Gang Activity In The Military
That sounds pretty cultural to me.
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I am actually going to let my husband answer this one tonight. Be back later.
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04-12-2007, 02:53 PM
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You are not getting off the hook, It just makes you a biggot. I am a biggot, I hate NASCAR and WWF.
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Would I be a biggot if I pointed out its spelled bigot?
I don't hate NASCAR or WWF, I just chose not to spend my time or treasure watching either.
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04-12-2007, 03:05 PM
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Is there a difference between race and culture? For example, can one not like a culture without not liking the people within that culture? How many times do we use the term racism or racist when what we really mean is a dislike for a specific culture? For example, I do not like rap music. Some will say that I am racist because I don't like rap music. What I don't like is the culture of rap music. I don't like opera either, does that mean I hate Italians?
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not liking rap music doesn't make you a racist... I don't like rap music. But you are using it in an arguement concerning something that was said by a white radio broadcaster... They aren't the same so your arguement has no validity.
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