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05-19-2008, 03:28 PM
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sink or swim
'sink or swim'. Is it expression in use?
I need an English equivalent of our proverb which means that a person should help himself/herself, not count on others. How it can be said?
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05-19-2008, 03:32 PM
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Hey Al...
We don't really use that many proverbs here in the US....
Usually its more like "hey you lazy fuck, get a job!"
Sorry, but we aren't very civilized yet. 
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05-19-2008, 03:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Blanco
'sink or swim'. Is it expression in use?
I need an English equivalent of our proverb which means that a person should help himself/herself, not count on others. How it can be said?
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"God helps those who help themselves" is better for that.
"Sink or swim" is more either do it or don't do it, it really isn't related to not receiving help from others. |
05-19-2008, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Heckler
Hey Al...
We don't really use that many proverbs here in the US....
Usually its more like "hey you lazy fuck, get a job!"
Sorry, but we aren't very civilized yet. |
Hi Heckler,
it is because you think too much about money : ) why your fucking government doesn’t sell oil or something and give the money to Americans?  |
05-19-2008, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho
"God helps those who help themselves" is better for that.
"Sink or swim" is more either do it or don't do it, it really isn't related to not receiving help from others.
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Oh, great, thanks a lot, it seems what I needed. |
05-19-2008, 03:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Blanco
'sink or swim'. Is it expression in use?
I need an English equivalent of our proverb which means that a person should help himself/herself, not count on others. How it can be said?
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"To gain one's true independance one has to learn to "do or die". |
05-19-2008, 04:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Blanco
'sink or swim'. Is it expression in use?
I need an English equivalent of our proverb which means that a person should help himself/herself, not count on others. How it can be said?
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"Shit,,,or get off the Toilet",--- "Raise,,,or Fold", ---"If you want to eat,,, skin it and clean it"....
And yes Al,,,'sink or swim' is still used in Navy Boot Camps.  They won't go in after you until the bubbles stop coming up....
Take care.
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Last edited by Realist1; 05-19-2008 at 04:44 PM.
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05-19-2008, 05:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Blanco
'sink or swim'. Is it expression in use?
I need an English equivalent of our proverb which means that a person should help himself/herself, not count on others. How it can be said?
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Sink, you rat bastards tried to kill my family! |
05-19-2008, 05:37 PM
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Cowboy Up!
I hear it all the time living in Oklahoma but I never use it myself. Although, it fits perfectly for what you wanted. It basically means to: *Focus on what to do and then attack it to completion*
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05-19-2008, 06:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Blanco
'sink or swim'. Is it expression in use?
I need an English equivalent of our proverb which means that a person should help himself/herself, not count on others. How it can be said?
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How about "fuck or be fucked"? How about "shit or get off the pot"? How about......You crazy little fucker if you do not "pick yourself up by your bootstraps" I am going to have your stupid ass put in the Booby Hatch (loony bin). |
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