You are right. If I say "people should understand the social and personal cost of uncontrolled breeding". It pisses me off that a couple with 1.9 kids do not get an "exemption" as large as the couple cown the street with 4.2 kids is bullshit. In effect, the taxpayer is getting fucked also. The taxpayers subsidize childbirth. How fucked up is that?

Thank you.

I agree abstinence can and should be a part of sex education....

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mmmmmmm..... This subject strikes a nerve on me.

I have raised 4 children through the pitfalls of modern society and the education system in America on my own dime. All are self sustaining citizens with a sense of personal responsibility. Only one, an accountant by education, is employed by a govt. entity as a purchasing agent. She makes damn sure the taxpayer is getting their money's worth when she spends public money and I'm proud of her for that. The other three are in careers that aren't likely to be exported to other Countries ...... Registered Nurse, Electrical Contractor and an Attorney.

When I see some unkempt, lard ass woman with 3 or 4 scuzzy screaming or whining brats in tow ..... buying food products (ready to pop in the microwave) with food stamps ..... I wonder why we (taxpayers) can't say....when the first of those children was brought to public assistance. ok.... we are going to give you public funds for THIS one that you have produced with no thought of the 20 years of responsibility YOU have created. It is your responsibility to make damn sure you don't produce another public charge ..... and I'm willing to provide at public expense birth control ...... which you are required to use faithfully until you can start paying for him/her and any future offspring. Another such occurence would require mandatory sterilization if she wished to continue receiving public money for HER self aquired responsibilities.

I don't mean to excuse the sperm donor either ...... that bastard is just as responsible as the mother and should be persued all the way to jail if necessary to take and make good on the responsibility they created.

Bottom line..... I can cut you some slack for initial mistakes in dealing with parental obligations..... but if you can't support your own children ....why the hell would you think I care to do so?

There it is! Attack me all you want..... it is simple common sense and if that wisdom escapes you....I really don't give a shit.

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A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

I'm politically incorrect and damn well satisfied to be so. Gummer

"Gummer & CottonB" you guys are right: what you say will not float well with some, but you are still right. This nation is in a terrible bind: somewhere many people learned to listen to the things that just did not make sense, like "just say no to sex." This does not work so well with adolescents, much less with "undisciplined" adolescents.

We seem to focus a lot on " freedoms & rights", and not very much on "obligations & responsibilities." Of course China does not have the unreasonable concept that "people are free to do what they want": but I still wonder how they managed to bring their excessive birth rate under control in 2 decades. If they did this, then we should be able to do this.

I realize that there would be many religious leaders & minority leaders that would "holler foul": unfortunately the vast Conservative Christian right would also "holler foul", but I think this should say more about them then about the seriousness of the problem. I we don't manage to get the birth rate down & under some reasonable control then we will die from population over load, or just plain old thirst. ...pjwky

Correct. There needs to be a better balance.....

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"Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied." -- Otto Von Bismark

Good God, is everyone on these boards a master at misdirecting blame for social ills and political foibles?

What about the family of seven that has honor students, talented musicians, and community spirit? Are they to be penalized by this third+ child tax for raising productive members of society? Is it really the number of people being born into this country, or their perceived value as educated people?

Maybe TV and video games play a role in allowing the youngsters to use their time for pursuits other than learning. Maybe it's the parents apathy to having the kids in the first place, the same apathy and lack of information that resulted in under use of contraception. Maybe it's the poor state of our public schools. Perhaps it's the fact that Americans each withdraw from their communities, unwilling to help their neighbors or get involved until someone else does first.

How many brothers and sisters a child has, has no bearing on their intelligence or value in society. How they are raised and the involvement of those in their community does. Get off your asses, stop bitching and GET INVOLVED!

As for the birth rate... there is an economic principle that says that [the more hands you have to do work, the more productive an economy is, the more prosperous are it's people]. The birthrate is not the problem.

I know you aren't talking to me..... all I said was ..... don't create long term responsibilities you can't pay for......

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Definition of political correctness:
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

I'm politically incorrect and damn well satisfied to be so. Gummer

Yessir, you are correct, and most of these kikes and kikettes in here come from the shallow end of the gene pool.

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hello "cottonB", I am glad to see you up & kicking: how are you feeling these days?

You know your post here is brave: you have hit on one of the really BIG problems that we face in the nation today, and a problem that no one has the courage to discuss or comment on. Its sort of like everyone thinks it is "un-american" to talk about how our over-the-top & out-of-control birth rate is crippling the country: we act as if it is a "constitutional" right to procreate, and anyone who disagrees is not a patriot.
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There is no law saying that people can't have babies, but those who do have them shouldn't have any right to expect the taxpayers to take care of their needs. If indigents have children and can't feed them, let them die! That would stop the cycle of poverty.

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