Why should we apologize?

Back Atcha · #31 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by oceanbreeze

Yes, ethically it was wrong.
But, how many Americans have fought to keep the bible off teacher's desks, out of hotels, just for the sake of it being the bible? Why care now?

Ummm... were they shot off the teachers desks? Were they burned out of the hotel rooms? It has nothing to do with it "being the Bible", it has to do with any religious text that is positioned so as to be an unspoken endorsement of said religion. A subtle message that if you believe any other way, you are second class.

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Originally Posted by Flyhigher

Rob, I respect your opinion, however, these muslims need to br brought back to the only book that was written by God; and it's not the quran... So, aim for the center...

Don't know how to tell you this... but umm.... The Bible was not written by God, new testament or old. It was written by the HAND OF MAN, and only committed to print after centuries of oral tradition. Even if God sat next to the scribe penning His words and His prose were taken down verbatim, what are the chances that it would survive countless translations and interpretations unscathed?

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Originally Posted by oceanbreeze

Not true.
If they are going to teach all religions/holidays, Christianity should be included. They can't even say Christmas Holiday anymore, it's a Winter holiday. The world is too damn PC with no back bone.

"Teaching" comparative religion (which I assume is your reference), is not at all the same thing as teaching religion. It's simply a study of the similarities and differences amongst belief systems to in an attempt to dispel the hate that comes from ignorance.

And yes, you can say Christmas Holiday, Merry Christmas and the like all you want. But to say it to a non Christian just plain silly. If you are truly extending a greeting of good will to a person, wouldn't you do so in a manner that would be acceptable, even appreciated by that person? Otherwise, there is no good will, just you trying to feel good about yourself, shilling for your particular faith, and completely ignoring the teachings of your savior.

The Christmas issue has more to do with Christians insisting that it be used corporately, during sales at the holiday season, TV programming, office parties, etc. We are a diverse country, what is wrong with being inclusive and respectful of others? Jesus stayed with the lepers (who I'm sure weren't Christian at the time), but you all can't learn to get along with your neighbors? WTH? I'm willing to bet that if Christians spent more time practicing their saviors teachings, they wouldn't need to defend, promote and act as victims nearly so much.

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Originally Posted by George O Well

>>>Sheeeit, if Jesus was still alive, HE'D be using the Bible for target practice.

Bulls-eye George

Flyhigher · #32 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Back Atcha

Ummm... were they shot off the teachers desks? Were they burned out of the hotel rooms? It has nothing to do with it "being the Bible", it has to do with any religious text that is positioned so as to be an unspoken endorsement of said religion. A subtle message that if you believe any other way, you are second class.

Don't know how to tell you this... but umm.... The Bible was not written by God, new testament or old. It was written by the HAND OF MAN, and only committed to print after centuries of oral tradition. Even if God sat next to the scribe penning His words and His prose were taken down verbatim, what are the chances that it would survive countless translations and interpretations unscathed?

"Teaching" comparative religion (which I assume is your reference), is not at all the same thing as teaching religion. It's simply a study of the similarities and differences amongst belief systems to in an attempt to dispel the hate that comes from ignorance.

And yes, you can say Christmas Holiday, Merry Christmas and the like all you want. But to say it to a non Christian just plain silly. If you are truly extending a greeting of good will to a person, wouldn't you do so in a manner that would be acceptable, even appreciated by that person? Otherwise, there is no good will, just you trying to feel good about yourself, shilling for your particular faith, and completely ignoring the teachings of your savior.

The Christmas issue has more to do with Christians insisting that it be used corporately, during sales at the holiday season, TV programming, office parties, etc. We are a diverse country, what is wrong with being inclusive and respectful of others? Jesus stayed with the lepers (who I'm sure weren't Christian at the time), but you all can't learn to get along with your neighbors? WTH? I'm willing to bet that if Christians spent more time practicing their saviors teachings, they wouldn't need to defend, promote and act as victims nearly so much.

Bulls-eye George

Listen, Moron, the Bible was written by God--the true author indeed, and don't continue to be an idiot...

A. Crowley · #33 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 01:08 AM

Ain't this your thread, stupid?

Flyhigher · #34 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by A. Crowley

Ain't this your thread, stupid?

Yes, Moron, you are correct... It feels good to be able to have a correct response sometimes doesn't it, Crowley?
I have confidence you are getting a little smarter reading my threads...

A. Crowley · #35 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 01:40 AM

You may well be the dumbest Wanker alive, knucklehead!

I assure you; you'll teach me nothing.

I'm so far beyond the idiocy you display I'm sure you won't understand.

Jboss321 · #36 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Back Atcha

Ummm... were they shot off the teachers desks? Were they burned out of the hotel rooms? It has nothing to do with it "being the Bible", it has to do with any religious text that is positioned so as to be an unspoken endorsement of said religion. A subtle message that if you believe any other way, you are second class.

Don't know how to tell you this... but umm.... The Bible was not written by God, new testament or old. It was written by the HAND OF MAN, and only committed to print after centuries of oral tradition. Even if God sat next to the scribe penning His words and His prose were taken down verbatim, what are the chances that it would survive countless translations and interpretations unscathed?

"Teaching" comparative religion (which I assume is your reference), is not at all the same thing as teaching religion. It's simply a study of the similarities and differences amongst belief systems to in an attempt to dispel the hate that comes from ignorance.

And yes, you can say Christmas Holiday, Merry Christmas and the like all you want. But to say it to a non Christian just plain silly. If you are truly extending a greeting of good will to a person, wouldn't you do so in a manner that would be acceptable, even appreciated by that person? Otherwise, there is no good will, just you trying to feel good about yourself, shilling for your particular faith, and completely ignoring the teachings of your savior.

The Christmas issue has more to do with Christians insisting that it be used corporately, during sales at the holiday season, TV programming, office parties, etc. We are a diverse country, what is wrong with being inclusive and respectful of others? Jesus stayed with the lepers (who I'm sure weren't Christian at the time), but you all can't learn to get along with your neighbors? WTH? I'm willing to bet that if Christians spent more time practicing their saviors teachings, they wouldn't need to defend, promote and act as victims nearly so much.

Bulls-eye George

Another relatively well spoken Idiot on AWE? hmmm.....wonder what puppet this was last week?
Thanks for confirming how much I've grown to despise this verim infested site.
The shitheads that type things, that are so far from the truth, has become too tiring.

You know the old addage, "arguing with someone on AWE, is like wrestling with a pig, pretty soon you realize the pig enjoys it", but what's the point.

I'm going to enjoy my summer without all you fag lovin' atheist's.

See ya in the fall, when I can say "told you America wouldn't vote a Negro into the white house. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.....What a bunch of WANKERS!

A. Crowley · #37 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 01:45 AM

Later, JBob!

Don't let that screendoor whack yer WideStance ass on the way out, loser!

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! !!!!!

A. Crowley · #38 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 01:54 AM

Farewell, JBob:

YouTube - Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) Chastises Bill Clinton

George O Well · #39 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 10:41 AM

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Listen, Moron, the Bible was written by God--the true author indeed, and don't continue to be an idiot...

>>>The Bible was written by ancient Hebrews who had too much sun and way too much bad wine. That's all there is to it.

hoosier88 · #40 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 08:11 PM

because he perhaps finally understands that rounding up the usual suspects - them "foreign-looking young men" is precisely the wrong thing to do if you plan to try to enlist translators, local informants, spies, language instructors, intercept operators, etc. from that same popuation. AG Ashcroft stepped wrong on that one. While welcome, the effort to correct this is much too late.

The best this Pres. Bush can do is stop roiling the waters & quietly leave the stage to reality-based diplomats & professional soldiers & intelligence agents. VP Cheney - remember him? He was going to steep himself in the "War on Terror" & learn all the ways, learn the tradecraft, go to the "Dark Side". The Veep can pack up his Lil Orphan Annie Magic decoder ring, his stovepiped "intelligence", the yellowcake from Niger, the Rumsfeldt, the Perle, D. Feith, the lot of chickenhawks, the full Vietnam, the waterboarding, the torture, [i]Gitmo/I], "extraordinary renditions", the cowed (or suborned, or rented!) "mass media". & don't forget Ahmed Chalabi, still trying to wheel & deal himself a winning hand on the ground in Iraq. We'll toss him in as the booby prize.

Get that hook ready!