Ted Kennedy dying...

bluedog · #81 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by George O Well

Seems to me Kennedy is guilty of the same crime Laura Bush is guilty of - except for the malice aforethought part.

Now you know better than that, "The Black Messiah" has issued marching orders that wives are off limits, did you not get the PM? BD

cat's meow · #82 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Back Atcha

I'm with ya on that one. Folks get so caught up in the media and political personas of the famous that they often forget that there are human as well. No different than you or I.

I don't know him personally, but I've had a chance to become good friends with some in his family. I can tell you that he has payed a dear price for that night. It was a mistake that has haunted him through most of his life, one that has anguished him immensely. He is not the unfeeling bastard that these posters make him out to be. They just enjoy an easy target.

Trust me, he has been paying for this crime for a long time, and will when he's gone and he knows it. Try putting yourself in his position, knowing that the end is near and that you will be called on to answer for your sins...

Further, I'm willing to bet that everyone on this forum knows someone who has been in an alcohol related accident that resulted in injury or death. It's hard to get past, but... sometimes, good people make bad judgements that hurt other good people. The fact that he persevered and went on to become a respected (in some circles) member of our government says much about his character, and the willingness of others to vilify someone who they don't know, over an incident that has been twisted and obscured by time and are quite likely to have done exactly what he did (drunk driving) but without the dire consequences, says much about their character.

Having said all that... I'm now open to assault by the rabid right. Just because I know his kin, does not mean I am excusing him of that night. I'm not a dyed in the wool Dem, nor am I an apologist. Just a person tired of seeing people beat this very very dead horse. But instead of admitting that they truly know nothing about it beyond some slanted articles and possibly a history channel expose, they will attack me for being an apologist and I'm sure that more than one will try to define me with this post using well worn political tactics.

So go ahead, show us your amazing ability to summarize a person with limited information and dazzle us with your ignorance some more.

Now then, where's the line for Bush... I've really gotta go

Maybe people on the right should get more worked up about Mark Foley or Larry Craig doing everything possible against 'conservative' principles. I don't ever remember Ted Kennedy going after under aged male pages or doing any 'foot tapping' in airport stalls. Kennedy is sitting on the left...like he was going to take up a 'right wing' cause? Sort of stupid to get worked up about it. If Craig or Foley were to be afflicted with this I, myself would have no reason to say anything. There is no 'justice' for the life that anyone leads, whether you consider that virtuous or not.

Unfortunately for Kennedy this will probably be the end for him. I have been pretty close to two situations (a former boss, and former prof during my PhD) and both men went down quickly (I took less than 6 months). They try to take this type of tumor out and then the thing will come right back; not a great way to die.

bluedog · #83 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXP

Well, this is the fate of Kennedy Curse: JFK, shot in the head; RFK shot in the head; Teddy fatal brain tumor.

BTW, if it's true that Teddy has Malignant Glioma and the most common found in his age group, this thread will become true between 3 months to 5 years from now. Brain cancers have a poor prognosis, largely because of that blood/brain barrier.

It at least explains why Teddy has been Teddy. It'll explain his erratic behavior, and the poor choice to endorse Obama and hand him the Camelot torch.

Can't say I'll miss him, though. Too much water under the bridge, and I won't shed a tear of his departure -- especially after his favorite liberal wing of the DP trashed Reagan's funeral. No decency, no class, no respect.

Buh-Bye Teddy!

But what I especially like is the way that MY SENATOR clearly followed the will of voters in our state and cast a vote of support for....HIll........OBAMA? This is indeed a very clear message about how "the peoples party" respect the will of the people, that plus the fact that they are READY, ABLE AND WILLING to completely disenfranchise two entire states to PLACE THIS MAN into position. BD

Back Atcha · #84 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bluedog

But what I especially like is the way that MY SENATOR clearly followed the will of voters in our state and cast a vote of support for....HIll........OBAMA? This is indeed a very clear message about how "the peoples party" respect the will of the people, that plus the fact that they are READY, ABLE AND WILLING to completely disenfranchise two entire states to PLACE THIS MAN into position. BD

Not to get too far off topic, but those states disenfranchised themselves. They were warned not to move the primaries, and they did anyway. Sad fact is, they did so to play a bigger role in the primaries. If they had sat tight, they would have had a much bigger impact in this odd election cycle.

ChrisXP · #85 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Back Atcha

Not to get too far off topic, but those states disenfranchised themselves. They were warned not to move the primaries, and they did anyway. Sad fact is, they did so to play a bigger role in the primaries. If they had sat tight, they would have had a much bigger impact in this odd election cycle.

Ah, but you tiptoe around the bylaws that say, that states that do so are penalized with a loss of 50% of delegates. Not's Dean et al's stragedy of trying to elect a Black man. Why SC, despite jumping it's date ahead like the rest, didn't get the same 100% delegate withdrawl.

Be happy, if Obama becomes the nominee, Florida will go Red in the GE.

Dean sabotaged the party, with a huge loss of not only votes in the GE, ELECTORIAL COLLEGE votes afterwards.

Dummies!

Uncensored2008 · #86 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tileman

Another fine example of a liberal. Get angry, use personal attacks, but never saying anything intelligent and very seldom on topic..

In all fairness, asking creepy-crowley to say something intelligent is like asking pigs to fly, it's not physically possible.

Uncensored2008 · #87 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by George O Well

Seems to me Kennedy is guilty of the same crime Laura Bush is guilty of - except for the malice aforethought part.

I'm sure it does, but then you aren't very bright and attempt to use mindless partisanship to make up for your lack of intellect.

Still Dizzy · #88 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by oceanbreeze

A pig is too smart to do NOYB.

And has MUCH better taste.

bluedog · #89 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Back Atcha

Not to get too far off topic, but those states disenfranchised themselves. They were warned not to move the primaries, and they did anyway. Sad fact is, they did so to play a bigger role in the primaries. If they had sat tight, they would have had a much bigger impact in this odd election cycle.

So you declare that the people that "warned" them has the inherent power to discount the votes of ALL peoples within either of these states because the political leadership "decided" to go against the will of the DNC? Each state, constitutionally speaking has the RIGHT to vote when and for they wish to vote. And the DNC derives this power from where? The constitution? I for one do not even see why they, the DNC, go though the farce of pretending to have an election in the first place...as they have taken the power away from the people and given it directly to the politicians that can vote any way they wish.....if they hold the pompous position of "super delegate", as they pretend to place some upon the pedestal that comes with political power, never even considering the fact that they are supposed to "represent" the will of the people. BD

George O Well · #90 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 03:12 PM

Hey wad, it wasn't me who mentioned Chappaquiddick, now was it. But just so we know, I AM partisan and will continue to BE partisan. Er, if that's alright with you, eh?