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Old 05-10-2008, 11:18 AM
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Obama ignores white women and their fight for equality.


Feminists sharply divided between Clinton, Obama - Yahoo! News

NEW YORK - No constituency is more eager to see a woman win the presidency than America's feminists, yet — despite Hillary Rodham Clinton's historic candidacy — the women's movement finds itself wrenchingly divided over the Democratic race as it heads toward the finish.

At breakfast forums, in op-ed columns, across the blogosphere, the debate has been heartfelt and sometimes bitter. Are the activist women supporting front-runner Barack Obama betraying their gender? Are Clinton's feminist backers mired in an outdated, women's-liberation mind-set?

Ellen Bravo is a Milwaukee author and activist who advocates on behalf of working women — and is an Obama supporter. She faults Clinton for her 2002 vote authorizing the Iraq war and believes the Illinois senator would be more supportive of grass-roots political action.

At times, Bravo, 64, has been dismayed by the harsh criticism directed at women like herself from pro-Clinton feminists.

"I felt it was an ultimatum — vote for Hillary Clinton or you're betraying the women's movement," Bravo said. "It's very self-defeating and alienating, particularly to younger women who, regardless of who they support, don't like to be told, 'Do this. Do that.'"

Clinton supporter Gloria Feldt, former president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, accepts that the women's movement is not single-minded, yet worries that the Obama-Clinton rift is eroding whatever clout it might have.

"We're squandering an opportunity to be seen as a voting bloc that turns elections," Feldt said. "Unless we are working together, in a strategically thought-out effort to vote in our own best interests, we are in danger of never having another election where people will say women can determine the outcome."

Overall, Clinton's now-endangered campaign has survived largely because of her 60 percent to 36 percent edge over Obama among white women voters in the primaries to date. But among college-educated white women — the demographic of many feminists and of Clinton herself — her edge is much smaller, 54 percent to 43 percent, according to exit polls conducted for The Associated Press and television networks.
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What a fucking retard bitch-troll....
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don't worry,osama will not be elected.
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What a fucking retard bitch-troll....
Does the same hold true for the 20 anti-Jewish threads each day?

If anything can be called trolling it would be Jew threads...
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Those are meant to be informative.

Wowsa is just a pussified bitch-troll, and makes no sense ever.
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Old 05-10-2008, 01:29 PM
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Those are meant to be informative.

Wowsa is just a pussified bitch-troll, and makes no sense ever.
When is the last time you added anything constructive?

That doesn't include your adventures with the leopard skin short wearing Buttgang that you troll for on cliffs...
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Old 05-10-2008, 04:51 PM
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Well, you people know fuck all about feminism clearly.

What do you think feminism is? I'm curious?
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This site is not about being constructive. Its about arguing. WITH EVERYONE!
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Old 05-10-2008, 04:56 PM
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This site is not about being constructive. Its about arguing. WITH EVERYONE!
Indeed it is. But if you what to win arguments, you need to know the facts, otherwise someone who does know what they're talking about... umm... say... me... will come along and crush you.
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Old 05-10-2008, 07:28 PM
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Where on earth did you get the idea that Obama "ignores white women" in that entire article?

Hillary can't attract 90% of the woman vote because she's not a unifying candidate. Obama can attract 90% of the black vote because he IS.

I keep saying, other black people have run for President, and did NOT receive 90% of the black vote. That shows that people aren't all about identity politics. Now, if you have a viable candidate, and they happen to share your gender or skin color or religion, then you might be more attracted to voting for them.

Hillary, for me, isn't the right first woman President. We can wait and do better. Obama is the right first black President. IMHO.
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