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05-10-2008, 07:37 PM
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Where on earth did you get the idea that Obama "ignores white women" in that entire article?
Hillary can't attract 90% of the woman vote because she's not a unifying candidate. Obama can attract 90% of the black vote because he IS.
I keep saying, other black people have run for President, and did NOT receive 90% of the black vote. That shows that people aren't all about identity politics. Now, if you have a viable candidate, and they happen to share your gender or skin color or religion, then you might be more attracted to voting for them.
Hillary, for me, isn't the right first woman President. We can wait and do better. Obama is the right first black President. IMHO.
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Maybe this will help you?
Are Clinton's feminist backers mired in an outdated, women's-liberation mind-set?
Clinton supporter Gloria Feldt, former president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, accepts that the women's movement is not single-minded, yet worries that the Obama-Clinton rift is eroding whatever clout it might have.
"We're squandering an opportunity to be seen as a voting bloc that turns elections," Feldt said. "Unless we are working together, in a strategically thought-out effort to vote in our own best interests, we are in danger of never having another election where people will say women can determine the outcome."
I highlighted about half of what I posted. LOL
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05-10-2008, 07:43 PM
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Maybe this will help you?
Are Clinton's feminist backers mired in an outdated, women's-liberation mind-set?
Clinton supporter Gloria Feldt, former president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, accepts that the women's movement is not single-minded, yet worries that the Obama-Clinton rift is eroding whatever clout it might have.
"We're squandering an opportunity to be seen as a voting bloc that turns elections," Feldt said. "Unless we are working together, in a strategically thought-out effort to vote in our own best interests, we are in danger of never having another election where people will say women can determine the outcome."
I highlighted about half of what I posted. LOL
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Once a group has equality in a society, they no longer need to vote as a "bloc." Women's experiences are too vast and disparate to have one "right" candidate. Hillary doesn't appeal to ALL women. I refuse to feel like I'm betraying womankind because I don't support her.
And that STILL doesn't say anything about Obama ignoring women.....
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05-10-2008, 07:50 PM
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Once a group has equality in a society, they no longer need to vote as a "bloc." Women's experiences are too vast and disparate to have one "right" candidate. Hillary doesn't appeal to ALL women. I refuse to feel like I'm betraying womankind because I don't support her.
And that STILL doesn't say anything about Obama ignoring women.....
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In addition to what I have already pointed out, Michigan and Florida have been excluded to help a man win the nomination over a woman. 
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05-10-2008, 07:53 PM
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In addition to what I have already pointed out, Michigan and Florida have been excluded to help a man win the nomination over a woman. 
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It must be a sexist conspiracy afoot. 
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05-10-2008, 08:07 PM
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It must be a sexist conspiracy afoot. 
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Yes, it's very possible, Obama is a racist that hates Americans.
Let's be clear that the rules that we have been discussing are the delegate selection rules for the 2008 Democratic National Convention. The rules cannot tell a state or its voters whether the results of a legal election are valid; they only govern the selection of delegates to the national convention.
A record number of Florida Democrats, more than 1.7 million voters, went to the polls for the Jan. 29 Florida primary, and not one of them broke any rules by exercising his or her right to vote. But the DNC has said that they don't count.
Rule 11 clearly prohibits primaries or caucuses from being held prior to the first Tuesday in February, except in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina, each of which is assigned very specific limits on when they may hold their contests. Florida Democrats were penalized for violating Rule 11 when our state moved the primary seven days too early. Michigan Democrats, whose state moved 21 days early, were penalized, too. Oddly, Democrats in three other states that violated the rules were not.
It's clear that Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Michigan and Florida all violated the same rule and should be treated the same. But that's not what happened. While the rules designate a 50 percent delegate reduction, the DNC imposed the death penalty - a 100 percent reduction - on Florida and Michigan. Amazingly, the other "rule-breakers" got no penalty at all.
Democrats' ballyhooed rules offer fix
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05-10-2008, 08:23 PM
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05-10-2008, 11:04 PM
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Obama ignores white women and their fight for equality.
Feminists sharply divided between Clinton, Obama - Yahoo! News
NEW YORK - No constituency is more eager to see a woman win the presidency than America's feminists, yet — despite Hillary Rodham Clinton's historic candidacy — the women's movement finds itself wrenchingly divided over the Democratic race as it heads toward the finish.
At breakfast forums, in op-ed columns, across the blogosphere, the debate has been heartfelt and sometimes bitter. Are the activist women supporting front-runner Barack Obama betraying their gender? Are Clinton's feminist backers mired in an outdated, women's-liberation mind-set?
Ellen Bravo is a Milwaukee author and activist who advocates on behalf of working women — and is an Obama supporter. She faults Clinton for her 2002 vote authorizing the Iraq war and believes the Illinois senator would be more supportive of grass-roots political action.
At times, Bravo, 64, has been dismayed by the harsh criticism directed at women like herself from pro-Clinton feminists.
"I felt it was an ultimatum — vote for Hillary Clinton or you're betraying the women's movement," Bravo said. "It's very self-defeating and alienating, particularly to younger women who, regardless of who they support, don't like to be told, 'Do this. Do that.'"
Clinton supporter Gloria Feldt, former president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, accepts that the women's movement is not single-minded, yet worries that the Obama-Clinton rift is eroding whatever clout it might have.
"We're squandering an opportunity to be seen as a voting bloc that turns elections," Feldt said. "Unless we are working together, in a strategically thought-out effort to vote in our own best interests, we are in danger of never having another election where people will say women can determine the outcome."
Overall, Clinton's now-endangered campaign has survived largely because of her 60 percent to 36 percent edge over Obama among white women voters in the primaries to date. But among college-educated white women — the demographic of many feminists and of Clinton herself — her edge is much smaller, 54 percent to 43 percent, according to exit polls conducted for The Associated Press and television networks.
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hillary isn't a good candidate. obama is very bi on woman's rights and equality for all
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05-18-2008, 11:49 AM
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Hillary, for me, isn't the right first woman President. We can wait and do better. Obama is the right first black President. IMHO.
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-At one time I would've voted for Colin Powell for president. I don't support his issues now that I've learned more of his stances but I do atleast respect him. I'd still vote for him over the 3 candidates we have to choose from now. Obama however, scares me to death with his choices of friendships, spouse and mentor. Whom has this man surrounded himself with that does NOT hate this country?
Obama is either very poor at judging peoples character or he's lying about not knowing their stance of hating this country. In either case I view him either as too naive or a liar which actually supports his friends, family and mentors views. Scary scary man he is.
that's my opinion SWEETIE!
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05-18-2008, 11:51 AM
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"that's my opinion SWEETIE!"
Big Surprize, Retard!
What a blithering, bobbleheaded wanker.
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