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05-06-2008, 03:04 PM
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High taxes on all American companies operating overseas
Does this include the US Govt? If not, why?
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Interesting question.
For the answer,
I'll ask you, is the U.S. governement a company or corporation?
The answer will clearly answer your question.
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05-06-2008, 03:06 PM
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Interesting question.
For the answer,
I'll ask you, is the U.S. governement a company or corporation?
The answer will clearly answer your question.
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According to my economics class I took over 20 years ago, the US Govt is a "Quasi" Corporation.
You learn something new each day! 
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05-06-2008, 03:16 PM
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According to my economics class I took over 20 years ago, the US Govt is a "Quasi" Corporation.
You learn something new each day! 
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If you mean Corporations of the US government...that is different. They are quasi but the Federal governement is not a quasi corporation.
Learning is good. I agree.
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05-06-2008, 03:20 PM
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If you mean Corporations of the US government...that is different. They are quasi but the Federal governement is not a quasi corporation.
Learning is good. I agree.
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ALL Govt entities are quasi Corporations.
Why should the American people not be granted special considerations that the US Govt is granted?
Such as, retirement plans, investing overseas etc....
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05-06-2008, 04:08 PM
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Perhaps one of first things we should do is be sure we have a totally functioning antiballistic missile system, in depth. All the things said on this thread would fall under the category "nice" but the world has gotten to be an even more dangerous place than at any time in our past. For those niceties to even exist, we need to protect our country. Just a few missiles would make everything on those lists history.
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05-06-2008, 04:13 PM
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ALL Govt entities are quasi Corporations.
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Yes I know we agree but you did not say that at first (emphasis on underlined) you just said the government, there is a difference....
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Why should the American people not be granted special considerations that the US Govt is granted?
Such as, retirement plans, investing overseas etc....
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Well being that it is a government for & by the people I think we can ask for that through voting & legislation, don't you?
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05-06-2008, 04:22 PM
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Perhaps one of first things we should do is be sure we have a totally functioning antiballistic missile system, in depth. All the things said on this thread would fall under the category "nice" but the world has gotten to be an even more dangerous place than at any time in our past. For those niceties to even exist, we need to protect our country. Just a few missiles would make everything on those lists history.
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What are anti ballistic missile going to shoot down? What nation state is going to attack us? China? Russia. I really don;t think so.
North Korea? They can barely get them across Japan. Even if they could lob...one, the existing state of things in our weapons systems would completely obliterate them.
Seriously to spend trillions of dollars on missiles shooting missiles is just a way for Boeing to make money & siphon it off from working on more effective strategies to fight terrorism. Simply put anti ballistic missiles are ineffective against asymmetrical warfare.
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05-06-2008, 04:26 PM
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What are anti ballistic missile going to shoot down? What nation state is going to attack us? China? Russia. I really don;t think so.
North Korea? They can barely get them across Japan. Even if they could lob...one, the existing state of things in our weapons systems would completely obliterate them.
Seriously to spend trillions of dollars on missiles shooting missiles is just a way for Boeing to make money & siphon it off from working on more effective strategies to fight terrorism. Simply put anti ballistic missiles are ineffective against asymmetrical warfare.
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They haven't had all that much success with anti ballistic missile systems even against traditional systems.....from what I understand, even the Patriots were far less succesful than portrayed in the media. 'course that doesn't make front page news....
Yep, the money could be far better spent.
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05-07-2008, 02:13 PM
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What are anti ballistic missile going to shoot down? What nation state is going to attack us? China? Russia. I really don;t think so.
Rooster:
Why not China, Russia or N. Korea. Russia certainly has the ability, perhaps China does too and it was not so long ago thst we were very concerned about N. Korea. There are many actors on stage, like India and Pakistan...and even Israel. You know...friends today, gone tomorrow and I trust them least.
North Korea? They can barely get them across Japan. Even if they could lob...one, the existing state of things in our weapons systems would completely obliterate them.
Rooster:
How do you know what the existing state of our missile defense system is?
Seriously to spend trillions of dollars on missiles shooting missiles is just a way for Boeing to make money & siphon it off from working on more effective strategies to fight terrorism. Simply put anti ballistic missiles are ineffective against asymmetrical warfare.
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Rooster:
My comments were not on assymetrical warfare, whatever that concoction is, they were about an antimissile shield. Your attitude on defense is one where you say, in so many words, that no one can attack us. That is really underestimating the enemy, or potential enemy. Always a losing move.
By stating that "our weapons system would completely obliterate them" you are assuming an attack has occured. Well, that's what I'm trying to avoid...preclude any attack with an ABM system fully in place and in depth. You may be willing to suffer the casualties of using retaliation. I'm not. I don't want to REPLY to an attack, I want to intercept it...then reply.
As to stopping terrorsists from doing damage within the US, I doubt we can ever stop that from happening. I think we've been fortunate so far, so the money is better spent on an ABM system.
One final thought regarding terrorists is that I would tell them all that if a nuclear device goes off in the US, that some of their capital cities would disappear, in muslim non-allied countries. They understand that kind of thinking.
Last edited by Rooster; 05-07-2008 at 02:32 PM.
Reason: ABM
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05-07-2008, 02:43 PM
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Rooster:
One final thought regarding terrorists is that I would tell them all that if a nuclear device goes off in the US, that some of their capital cities would disappear, in muslim non-allied countries. They understand that kind of thinking.
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The difficulty to that is figuring out where their capital is. The 9/11 highjackers were from 7 different countries. None of them were sanctioned by their respective governments.
Makes it difficults, EXCEPT....
In reality terrorists bow to one capital, literally.
Make it clear that if another terrorist act occurs in the United States, Mecca disappears in a cloud of nuclear debris. That might convince them.
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