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Old 05-01-2008, 04:55 PM
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Old 05-01-2008, 06:14 PM
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OOOppss

He's a jihadist, remember?

Should be

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Old 05-01-2008, 07:35 PM
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He's a jihadist, remember?

Should be

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LMAO..reminded me of Jeff Dunham's Puppet.
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Old 05-06-2008, 01:38 AM
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How about Truth, Peace, Tranquility, and Longivity of those?
I think this post is GREAT. I think this is the center of most of our ideals once stripped of our differences. Always our challenge is in the details & how we get there.

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Say yes to peace.
How rare that really is though in practice on unmoderated forums & certain hot spots of conflict around the world. Though on a day to day experience I'd say most people strive for some semblance of that.

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No fuck you you obcessive queer.. Stupid arrogant fuck. And your not funny at all. Imfor not getting fucked over by the US govt anymore
Well to be fair NOYB you are pretty funny too.


Now to the lists.....(note these are my responses but I am not saying anyone is wrong.)

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Ok, seriously... the list is very long... but here we go...

Protection of the 2nd Ammendment with no restrictions.
I think I agree to that. Though the well regulated Militia seems to get lost in the whole guns rights thing....Not sure where to really fall on that. I do feel there's too much emphasis in this country on guns/arguments & solving problems by killing someone & feeling somehow you are powerful, when in reality it is the greatest sign of weakness a human can display....If used to resolve a disagreement.

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Pro-Choice
Without question. The caveat for me is that it does not mean every time a woman gets pregnant she gets an abortion. It should mean as Bill Clinton said SAFE RARE & LEGAL.

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Waterboarding
Torture solves nothing except the desire of the shell to fill justified in seeking revenge. Ultimately it's a waste to the soul...

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No support of Israel, No support of any country other than America, actually.
I could not agree with you more. We should never put ANY countries self interests before our own. No one else will put us before theirs...

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High taxes on all American companies operating overseas
In principle I completely agree. In reality it just won't work so easily. The cats out of the bag, the human resources are too diversified & because we have allowed our REAL vote, buying products be voted away by giving our money every day through buying said products we have squandered what ever power we might have in challenging multi national corporations.

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Illegal immigrants should have a DL
See that's complicated but on many levels practically I agree. That way they are traceable & accountable in regards to the privilege & responsibilities in this country to drive...

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Education reform, (i.e. montessori schools)
Now see this one you got me. Right close to my heart. The whole Montessori education system was designed to help impoverished children after WWII to be educated in a very intelligent & community way. Where older children helped younger children through direct experience. A very wonderful educational model. A little funny thing happened when it was brought over here. The government mandated that is had to be private & charged money for it. It became known as American Montessori. A very sad decision in the long run for our educational system...but it was by design.

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Fire most teachers that have worked over 15 years, they are old and have no clue
That can go many ways. In Principle Wisdom through experience is invaluable but in our current shell of a public school system, you are right they can be a real waste. But again refer to the previous comment ...there's just too much & it's complicated to talk about so ....I....uh....anyway.

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Construct new roads & bridges across america, rebuild many of the ones we have. (stimulaus package)
I may be old fashioned but that's what I historically thought our economic priorites were to be used for.....something got lost.....

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No socialized medicine
I don't know what that means....If it means the government dictates medicine then no. If it means the government uses the combined economic power of the tax payer to negotiate better deals & upholds sound regulation keeping doctors & the medical profession fair & transparent than I am for it.

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No social security
I think that Social Security is irrelevant when people are doing good economically & they say who needs that but when they are not doing so well economically they say thank God it;s there. I am just not sure it should be so easily tossed out.

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Health insurance only for children
For so many reasons I find that a double standard in regards to the socialized medicine position you have. Not sure how to respond to that...

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Do away with all deed resrticted communities, it's unFUCKIN' American!
Forgive me I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that but I'm intrigued. If you can could you expand upon that?

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Everyone should wear a belt, pull up yer freakin' pants already!!!
Well ya.

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No picking your nose while driving
Unless you are good at flicking.

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All government workers should do their fuckin' job!
With a God dam smile & some decent customer service!!!!!!!!!!!Fuck we pay them!!!!!!!!

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ANyone who cuts down a tree should plant 5 in it's place - and that includes the government.
Breathings good I hear.

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Put an end to the death tax, and the marraige tax.
Death tax no, Marriage Tax yes.

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Gas prices back at 1.27
TO dream....

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No bailinig out people in the mortgage crisis.
Personally I would rephrase that No bailing out predatory lenders & corporations FIRST.

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Mothers and fathers should quit raising little whores and pimps.
Yes.



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What I am really for, more than anything, is people helping their fellow neighbor... Not just watching people die on TV and just waiting for the government to fix it. (new orleans)... This is OUR country, and as Americans, it's tiime we started acting like it. We act as though it belongs to the government, and therefore it does.
You nailed it sister!

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I know I can be a real shitbag on this board sometimes, but I am good person who helps others in every way I can. I just wish others did the same. People don't always want a hand out, they just, at times, need someone to give a shit.
It's amazing how many homeless people I have interacted with over the years whom really appreciated the fact that I just looked in their eye, listened to them & talked to them. I rarely give them money but I WILL converse & acknowledge their humanity. I have seen it have more of an effect than any money.

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We are all in this together, and as soon as we realize that - our country will once again be restored to the beauty the forefathers had invisioned.

Peace. Love. & Happiness to you all....
It is the only goal worth having Naturemama.
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Old 05-06-2008, 01:40 AM
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I am for:

1.All kids who graduated from high school must serve at least two years in the military.
I think some form of public service would be great. I disagree with it being purely military. I think what Europe has developed over the years of a serious peacekeeping element to their martial work is resolvent there. I think the military is not bad in any way but when the only dimension to our idea of service is the tool of war we limit our selves & our spirit.

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2. Drinking age 18 years old.
More on that later....

[/quote] 3. Legalize pot and tax the hell out of it.[/quote]

With out question. Could not agree with you more. On top of that if we got past the version of the plant that is impregnated for THC it is useful for MANY MANY purposes. The list is long...trust me.

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4. Any guy who is convicted of raping a girl gets his dick cut off.
Harsh a bit feel good for the victim but in the real would quickly become complicated. I appreciate the sentiment though.....

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5. Abortion's legal.
Safe Rare & Legal. Yup.

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6.Death penalty illegal.
Agreed, it achieves nothing. Texas is the most glaring example.

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7. Graduated fines on what you make when you do something illegal, example:

If caught speeding the fine should be 1% of what you make in a year

Driver A who makes $10,000 a year should be fined: $100.00

Driver B who makes $100,000 a year should be fined: $1,000.00
Interesting concept. Not sure but I still think justice should be blind. Not reverse elitism.


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8. Cell phones for guys illegal and girls can only use them in emergency's.
Sounds cute & reactionary about something...not sure what but really not relevant. It's just a tool.

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9.The 2nd amendment
Refer to my response to Naturemama.

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10. a Big military.
Trust me we are bigger than any military in the history of humanity. I think we need to look beyond killing but that would be redundant at this point.

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11. free health care for all.
I cannot argue with that. Why not?

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12. Who ever is in this country as of this date May 1st 2008 can stay, (we use all the new Americans as border patrol. shoot on site any new one trying to jump the fence)
Or (maybe I'm old fashioned but use the already existing laws to fine & or increase the fines for companies & people whom hire them...Seems obvious to me.

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13. New drilling for oil,for new Nuke plants (If they are safe enough for France there safe enough for the U.S.A.)
Nothing will be gained 'really for drilling in Alaska. It's a drop but if there's more fine. I have for years been an advocate for Nuclear but I have found (actually from pipes) that it is negligible economically once all said & done for what we get in return. SO I have some serious questions about nuclear.
I think...beyond the fear of radiation....that nuclear is dependent on too many complicated variables. It turns out France is having some major problems as well....

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14. Want a lot of incentive packages for people to drive/buy alternative cars
Without question...right on!!!!!

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15. Want a lot of incentive packages for people to conserve energy (Use solar panels etc,..wtc..)
We are SOOO on the same page. No SHIT!!!!!

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16. Want National Weigh in Centers, where every year people wiegh in and if your a fatso you get taxed higher then us skinny people.
That's pretty funny & I can appreciate the sentiment. In reality if we had a food system based on more fresh & less chemicalized flavorings & wasted filler in our food supply we'd have less fat people. If anything we should actually take a cue from the French. Almost all of their dietary approach is about locally grown fresh & natural foods. They still eat lost s of butter & 'natural' fats. Fats are not bad. Artificial chemicalized crap is the problem because there's nothing of the body to digest o it just turns what it can into fat & shits the rest out. Hence the fat shit we see everywhere.



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You know I forgot about your argument, Yes there should be no drinking age. The less taboo you make something the less likely people will indulge, just look at europe, every one drink's wine for dinner no big deal...
Thanks, Cotton for pointing that out for me.

There is a great truth in that statement.


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1. Seperation of church and state
Without question. This country is precisely great & religion flourishes because of that founding principle.

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2. Gun rights
I generally agree but I take umbrage with it being guns without consequence or responsibility.

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3. Schools with WAY higher expectations (especially from the parents)
Yes our education is the foundation of whether we are great as a society or a used tool.

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4. Mandatory military service for anyone that wants to be President of this country.
I profoundly disagree. I am thankful, DEEPLY thankful that the founding fathers made a conscious choice to have a civilian leader in charge the military. I understand that chicken hawks declaring war without relevant military or martial understanding is of consequence but I prefer a level head in the best scenario for someone who's had an experience of overall humanity to lead a nation. Not a person who's only had the brainwashing culture of war decide the fate of a nation. Now a caveat on my 'brainwashing' statement. People whom are indoctrinated with military training have to have their individuality rubbed out as it where in order to be good tools for the machine of the military. It is appropriate, don;t get me wrong, when it comes to being involved in the process of war. But that should not, cannot be the only criteria for dealing with the complexity of the human experience. If it is it will be the detriment of ALL humanity.

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5. Higher pay for the military and WAY better living conditions.
Agreed. & better care after they have served this nation as citizen soldiers.

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6. Better care for our VETS.
Refer to previous.

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7. BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW.
Yup.

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8. Domestic drilling for oil
Yes & no.
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9. More fuel efficient vehicles and alternative fuel sources
The yes part.

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10. Charity
Or in the old days being Christian. It's the center of Christs message after all....

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11. Love and forgiveness
Again....

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12. Decreased consumerism
Agreed, tough when the economic system we are in is predicated on that though. I still agree.

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13. Way less trade with China. Fuck them.
A more balance approach to labor would be a more accurate approach. See there is no trade there's just our companies going there to use cheap labor to sell us cheap Walmart style crap. We like it though because it seems a good deal in the short term. See consumerism....

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14. More unity; less fighting.
Agreed.

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15. Legal immigration. Straighten the system out and bring these folks over legally.
All the laws are there. Just enforce them. Again it relates to consumerism & China.....really.

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16. Age 18 legal drinking age; but keep strict drunk driving laws.
We got some themes here. I go with Cotton. I also think that those drinking & driving issues would become less relevant if it wasn't so...suppressed.

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17. Sex
Natural. Good. Life affirming. MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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18. I'm for Dems, Repubs, libs, conservatives, etc. I love all politically involved people. I can't stand those with no involvement.
Agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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19. I'm for college prep high schools and trade schools (options for kids).
Always & even more.....

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20. Peace
Can't EVER get enough.....

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21. Clean environment with way less waste by Americans
A true challenge. Must confront that consumerism & mindlessness in some healthy way for that to come to fruition. I think...Good connected life affirming sex would be a start, (as a philosophical principle) as apposed to buying a whore for some guys quick fix but I'm odd that way. ;D
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Old 05-06-2008, 01:41 AM
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I am for the Sovreignty of the United States.
Well...It still is.

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I am for Limited Government, one that is indeed Of the People, By the People, and For the People.
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I am for Personal responsibility.
Without question.

[/quote] I am for the Institution of the Nuclear Family.[/quote]

These are starting to sound well...too general & like sound bites but of course a good family is great. Now when it comes to marriages & histories & looking back...not too many examples of this generalized...'good' nuclear family....Complicated actually.

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I am for a Free Market Economy. The Risks in and of themselves, both good and bad, far outweigh Socialism.
This is too sound bite. Where is there real free markets today? And what is the difference between government regulation & government run companies. See they are different Government run companies ARE socialism. Government regulated companies, are not. Do you know the difference?

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I am for a strong Military, I support it's use Globally to promote Freedom to those who wish it, and will stand up and fight for it along side us.
A strong military to protect is fine. To promote an idea becomes a quagmire. What is freedom? For some it may mean the freedom to kill because you don't lie how they think. For others it might mean freedom from being oppressed by those with an that very same thought. See freedom is complicated & the military has no place for the freedom of the soul. One can try to suppress another freedom for their own idea of freedom but in the end it just becomes another game of suppression. No one does not fight with militarizes for freedom at the end of the day one has it as a birth right. But they must be willing to fight internally to believe it is right in a world that actively suppresses it. Not in just the most overt dictator framework but in the more insidious framework of the banality of little paper cut suppressions of freedoms. The ones that say you don't count as an individual These are the more dangerous forms of suppression & no military will solve that. If anything military actively suppresses that because that is the very nature of what it means to be a good tool in military. THIS IS why military is not the solution to freedom. At the end of the day it is the suppression of the very thing we believe it is here to defend. No. A large military 'mentality' is a detriment to freedom. It is ONLY a last resort as needed not an aspiration.

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I am for our own Energy Indpendence, we have the resources for it.
Without question. I agree.

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I am for Basic Human Rights for all, no matter what your Creed, Nationality, Sexual Preference, or Political Affiliation.
I too agree,

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I am for honest, intellectual debate.
Agreed, though often times missing around here.



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Higher fine's for people that litter (throwing your cig butt out the window is still littering)
Without question. I have NEVER thrown a butt on the ground. I Always keep it in my pocket & later throw the butt in the trash.

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More pay for Military
Yup they deserve it.

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Higher Min Wage.
Never bad but requires a larger understanding of the nature of consumerism, foreign labor & a basic respect for labor precisely because of the nature of globalization.

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Cheaper gas.
Yaaa......

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Drilling here and keeping the oil here.
Nothing wrong with that but I would prefer a move beyond it. I am idealist after all.

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Less tree hugging
Try it on Mushrooms. You will both say that & appreciate their ...t...i...m...e as a from of life. (Not for the feint of heart)

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Naked good looking women running around.
I appreciate the sentiment. Truly I do.....The only problem is the inevitable cock fights.

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Less taxes
I agree. I would also add smarter use of taxes.

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More taxes on Company's making big profit.
To a degree. I am not completely sold on that. Accountability...yes.

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2nd Ammendment
Guns great but spiritually I ask, why?

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Dress codes in school or uniforms
They all ready have that in a lot of public schools. The only reason it is relevant is because of income disparity in major cities. I don;'t know if it really solves anything. Just puts bandage on the underlying problem. Which is economic disparity.

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Mandatory Military service for everyone, at least 2 years if not 4.
Too much emphasis on martial we need also as much emphasis on organized peace as well..
Interesting theme going on though...

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Cheaper Health Care. That way everyone can afford it and we don't have to flip the bill to the Gov.
another rinterting theme going on. I agree. Health should a deeply important community care issue.

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Punishment that fits the crime.
In principle we have that. In execution...well....

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Bringing back fitness to the schools.
Agreed. I would go an ironic step further & say martial arts mandatory in public health education for our kids.

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Holding Teacher accountable for teaching.
Yup agreed, mixed with pay appropriate to quality. In every other form of pay people get payed what they are worth, In education we seem to disregard the value of financial recompense for quality education. Why is that?

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English as our National Language. (If you are in America you speak English)
2things,
It is. ONE, English already. It REALLY won't change.
Two, which American? North, Central or South. I know a lot of 'Americans' whom take offense at that because they are from other parts of the new world (generally) called America...

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No more spanish instruction when you buy something. The english one always gets lost or never was in the box to begin with. So stop trying to force me to learn spanish, I could care less.
Well I agree but that is not why companies have Spanish instructions. They have them because their is a buying public that needs it. Are you going to suppress capitalism because it does not speak your language? Wouldn't that be against your core principles of ...non socialism?

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Solar panels on every home and business.
Without question. You are SOOOO right on!!!!!!!
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Old 05-06-2008, 01:46 AM
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I am thankful to all whom responded. I really appreciated all your thoughts. I may disagree here & there but that does not mean I don't respect them. They were to me truly wonderful. I would like to suggest to anyone who reads them to find our common 'agreeances'. I think it would be most informative.

I do not want to be the one whom defines that. I would like to release that to the community.

I'm seriously intrigued. I have really (honestly) lied everyones response. There are some really cool thoughts here.

Again.

A heart felt thank you.
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Very cool thread.
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High taxes on all American companies operating overseas
Does this include the US Govt? If not, why?
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