Okham, you would make a good president. If i could vote i would because you are logistical, strategic, your values are good and wholesome, and you make a ton of since that the american people can use. I don't care what party you are into i would vote for you man. (awsome)

So here is an interesting question, say we legalize all these immigrants, educate them and their offspring, teach them to speak english, and they strive for better jobs, not the jobs that americans will not do, then we're in a pickle, they are now americans and probably won't do these jobs either and so what, let a few more million illegals in so the big business players can pad their wallets from more cheap labor? where does it end?

Good point 99. Unfortunately there is no Utopian answer. The sad fact is, that this is where democracy as a form of government and capitalism as a from of economy, butt heads.

In a supply and demand system, there will always be a demand for cheaper labor. Since no one already here is willing to take jobs below a certain pay scale, the supply of cheap labor will be filled from elsewhere. The best we can hope to do is make sure they are healthy, hardworking, responsible and law abiding. Just as in any (semi) linear system, when those at the bottom move up, there must be someone to fill the space at the bottom.

But isn't that one of the grand things about America? You CAN move up. Your not required to stay at your station in this society. No serfs here. Can anyone say where the next Eli Whitney will come from? Einstein, Oppenheimer, Edison, Wozniak, G.W. Carver, Lincoln, Franklin, Tesla?

We need an influx of immigrants to keep from growing stagnant. And while I'm not a big fan of Fat Cats padding their wallets on the backs of others, it is the carrot dangled before us all. If we are smart, work hard and embrace the values of this system, we too can go from pauper to prince in a single generation.

So to answer your question more directly, it doesn't end. But we certainly need to get better control over how, who and when people come to our country on an individual basis.

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A person can't be logistical, maybe the word you are thinking of is logical.

Since? Maybe you mean sense?

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OkhamsRazor : But the constitutionality of our current government is a thread all unto itself.

True, but the illegality of an illegal alien is so blatant that it doesn't take any thinking to see how illegitimate our government has become.

All federal code, statues, acts and regulations, that is outside the purview of the Constitution (contract) are illegitimate. The court only gets its legitimacy only by being with in the scope of the constitution, therefore its jurisdiction. Example: England's laws are not applicable to me, and neither are illegitimate government representatives playing God.

One of the unintended consequences of "The Nuremberg trials" is the legitimacy of a Citizen Tribunal to hold a government and its leaders responsible for their crimes against humanity. When a government does not uphold its constitution, it violates each citizen's individual rights and no longer has legitimacy, and it is the duty of the citizen to uphold the contract.

As a citizen, we do have the right to Petition for a Redress of Grievances as provided for in the Constitution. But, now the government believes it answers to no one for its actions. They believe their power and authority is unquestionable and absolute. If they decide to do nothing about the grievance, we become silenced. That is why a Citizen Tribunal would have the clout to take it out of the hands of the government representatives (illegitimate government) and put it into the hands of the people (the true government).

The next step is to create a petition with enough citizen's signatures to make the Citizen Tribunal have credibility. The thought came to me while seeing a show on the Nuremberg trials, which has set a precedence that a government and its leaders can be held responsible for violating one's individual rights.

Please check out the beginnings of a Citizen Tribunal and join in on upholding the Constitution.

Maybe you mean OCD? JJ come on don't point out my punctuational mistakes.