Borders, Language, Culture.

Be more consistent.
Libertarian(ism) is a closer philosophy than
the "mixed-economy" ideology the democrat and republican
parties have become panderers of.
Suffice to say here that regardless of the present
situation
( Mexico's failed socialist revolution has been proven.)
ALL Nations have a clear obligation to protect it's borders,
it's people, and their way of life..
( as in Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.)
( OUR Happiness. If they want what we have..
they can VOLUNTARILY make their respective nations
and cultures more like ours..
An obvious success story,
that the leftists DON'T see.)
MTC

Wow.. people are becoming more blind everyday. Don't you see.. president George W. Bush is agreeing with democrats and liberals (uggh) with this whole issue... he is saying that we should let them come in and then he says they can't sing their anthem... what side is he on. Personal GWB isn't worth mentioning in this reply.. unfortunately we don't see what the immigrants supposively are doing. Well everyone is highering illegals... pfft.. you call marching in the street taking over peoples jobs.. i don't think so. Mexicans do take the jobs no one wants but that doesn't mean an american with disabilites or whatever won't take them. Illegals aren't really benifitting our country, we have been better without them and if they want to come over they should do it legally.. like our forefathers have and the europeans and every other reasonable logistical person does.

On this issue i don't believe its siding with republicans or democrats thats gonna solve this issue.. it's found in the minds of brilliant logistical people.

Well I researched the topic and I never found an age limit to becoming a naturalized US citizen. The loop is this, to legally enter the country you must first have a Visa then you may apply for a green card which is also a permanent resident card, at that point they pay taxes and can qualify for assistance however you must prove to be gainfully employed and hold the visa for 5yrs before being eligible to apply for naturalized citizenship, you must also be able to speak english (a big problem for many immigrants I would think) and depending on age you would have to enlist for the armed services draft or something like that. Lengthy process, but the legal process. Until you are a naturalized citizen you cannot vote in an election or hold public office with exception of president or vice president. They offer special types of green cards for close relatives including parents, grandparents and such, didn't explain all the rules on those types separately so I'm still not sure. There definitely needs to be some changes on our policies to make the system run more efficiently however many of your illegals coming to America can't speak english, would be denied visas due to their criminal back grounds and someones bringing the drugs from Mexico. Many are entering the US because they cannot comply with the rules we have laid out so they just enter illegally, take low paying jobs and probably aren't living lives much better than they may have had in Mexico unless they are making alot of money dealing drugs.

agent99, excellent work, ty.

So we've pretty much nailed down what it takes to become an American citizen... We really need to do some looking around to see when and how they qualify for federal and state benefits. I think there is a problem with some of them acquiring fake credentials though (SS cards etc.) Social security cards are far too easy to fake. There really isn't much difference between the card my father has and mine. These cards should be of a credit card type with a magnetic strip on the back with the holders personal info and a security code.

I really would like to see the productive Mexicans stay. I don't see any harm in that, in fact I firmly believe it would be a benefit to us all.

So how do we weed out the bad ones? How do we tighten up the regs on how many family members can follow. I think it should be relegated to immediate family only. (Spouses and unmarried children under 18) All others should be required file for their own visas.

I think it's pretty much general consensus that there should be stiff penalties for any employer hiring an illegal in the united states. That seems a pretty common sense step. Perhaps another step might be to encourage businesses looking to build factories in Asia to invest in an economic zone in Mexico that runs the entire length of the border. A buffer zone of employment between us and them.

Just a thought.

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I like your thinking sir... yah that makes more since.. i don't wana see them run through the cities and protest that they are the big stuff or something, i dont wana see them sing the national anthem in spanish, i dont even want to learn spanish, if they want to work here they need to speak english.. other then that i don't have any problem with except the fact that after this the borders should be more contained and there should be no influx of mexicans after we put the standards in.

The problem with tracking the criminal illegals coming into America is that how do we know their ID's are even real, I've had situations where they give 2 or 3 aliases, alot of drama for our government to muddle through. I have a friend that owns a business and he told me if he hired an illegal alien and got caught, his fine would be roughly $250.00, so that tells me the fines are way to low and big business can get fined and afford to pay these fines and still keep their cheap labor, that needs to change. I really love the idea of an economic buffer zone between the US and Mexico, when are you running for office?

A joke for you: This anglo american couple went to the doctors office and wanted to discuss the husband getting a vasectomy, the doctor seem puzzled and asked why now? You have nine children already, what made you come to this decision? The husband stated, "well, we were watching TV lastnight and they said that 1 of every 10 babies born in the US is mexican and we can't speak spanish

LMAO

Ok, so...
1) workers can stay and get amnesty
2) fines for employing illegals should be far in excess of merely cost prohibitive.
3) economic zone on the Mexican border
4) tighten up the "who gets to enter with the family" rules
5) vasectomy for American families with nine kids in the house.
6) all immigrants, able bodied, not of school or retirement age, must be working as long as they are here on visas.
7) offer of citizenship for military service
Perhaps then, it will be easier to weed out the bad ones.

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Like I said, when are your running for office?

So now that we've solved that problem, should we begin to look at public assistance programs? Medicaid, SSI, Food Stamps, WIC? I have a few ideas on those topics and i guarantee you that those programs could be cut in half if it were up to me, hell, we should all run for office.

It'll be a few years before I decide to run... but I will run.

By all means, lets keep going with more issues, though I suppose we should start another thread.

Have you checked out Chief's "Bush tax cuts, can you pay for them" thread?
Excellent work being done there.

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Unfortunately yes. A person can emigrate here at any age.

My cousin married a Phillipino woman and ten years later she brought her 75 year old mother over, who immediately went on medicare and SSI. She had cancer, and we footed the bill for her illness not the Phillipino people.

Sad really that we are so easily duped.

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