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Old 04-25-2006, 09:30 PM
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Perhaps we should comment on 21st Century Slavery, 20th Century Slavery and Slavery during the 18th and 19th Century.

All four periods involves a different aspect and understanding on how "Slavery" was managed, internalized, and conducted.

However, the forces of greed and exploitation continues to be the root cause and incentives regardless of the century.
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Old 04-26-2006, 12:25 AM
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I agree. I would be willing to compare and contrast the different eras of slavery.
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Old 04-28-2006, 07:10 PM
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Veterinary care? What's that supposed to mean? If you think the only reason we no longer have slavery is because it's cheaper to pay employees minimum wage than we, as a nation, haven't come as far as I once believed. That's a shame.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:57 PM
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then we, as a nation, haven't come as far as I once believed. That's a shame.
Kris.... get used to that feeling

Sad to say, for a while linger anyway. ***shakes head sadly***
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Hello all,
I am new to the forum, but not by a long shot am I a novice in the realm of "arguing with everyone" hehe

I am against illegal immigration not because of the disadvantage to the lawbreaking migrant workers, but rather because of the disadvantage to me the hard working American taxpayer. I feel bad for people living in a country like Mexico where there is far less opportunity than can be found in a great nation like the one I was lucky enough to be born in. However, this does not make it my responsibility to provide healthcare for them. It is not my responsibility to pay for educating their children. These are things that should be provided out of the goodness of their hearts via international charities. The American people are very generous, giving billions of dollars to charity each year. This is the money that goes to providing food and shelter to those unable to do it for themselves. I suppose these liberal senators see themselves as modern day Robin Hoods, however I (like Robin Hoods fictional victims) see them as socialist thieves buying votes with my hard earned money.
As far as how illegal immigrants affect the economy, without a doubt in the short term employers providing work for illegals will see lower operating costs, thats a given. but the overall damage to the US economy is undeniable. The majority of the money that Illegals to earn is sent back to Mexico and therefore NOT recirculated within the US economy. Also lets not forget the heavy burden illegal immigrants heap upon the American taxpayer in the form of skyrocketing medical costs, rising insurance rates, and of course higher taxes to pay for the education of illegal immigrant children. Now with that said, there needs to be recognition of the near impossibility of mass deportation. I am not opposed to some kind of amnesty program, but there should be stiff fines involved. And those fines should translate directly into tax cuts for the rest of us. Just my opinion.

hows this for a first post? a little long winded perhapse.... So now I'm ready for the liberals to call me a bigot and a racist or maybe even insult my intelligence (wouldnt advise that btw) I'm pretty much expecting the same kind of response to attempts at logical debate that I typically recieve from the liberal opposition.

ps. I saw some bull earlier about the founding fathers being liberal..... I'm not really sure I understand how an individual could come up with a statement like that. The founding fathers were for freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM it, they were also against large government and heavy taxes, and believed that people had the right to keep and bear arms with the intent of keeping government in check. As far as foreign policy goes, the founding fathers may have been a bit isolationist, but I doubt either dominant political party of today could really make that claim. Government will act (regardless of who is running it), and then attempt to justify it if it suits their purposes. So, barring isolationism, which party really more closely resembles the ideals of the founding fathers? The party which follows strictly the ideals of the constitution, or the party that feels the constitution is a "living" document that was intended to just be a sort of loose guideline. I would say the choice is obvious. But I'd still like to hear a rebuttal.
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Welcoome to AWE Capitalist Pig.
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Old 05-02-2006, 01:10 PM
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Hello all,
I am new to the forum, but not by a long shot am I a novice in the realm of "arguing with everyone" hehe

I am against illegal immigration not because of the disadvantage to the lawbreaking migrant workers, but rather because of the disadvantage to me the hard working American taxpayer. I feel bad for people living in a country like Mexico where there is far less opportunity than can be found in a great nation like the one I was lucky enough to be born in. However, this does not make it my responsibility to provide healthcare for them. It is not my responsibility to pay for educating their children. These are things that should be provided out of the goodness of their hearts via international charities. The American people are very generous, giving billions of dollars to charity each year. This is the money that goes to providing food and shelter to those unable to do it for themselves. I suppose these liberal senators see themselves as modern day Robin Hoods, however I (like Robin Hoods fictional victims) see them as socialist thieves buying votes with my hard earned money.
As far as how illegal immigrants affect the economy, without a doubt in the short term employers providing work for illegals will see lower operating costs, thats a given. but the overall damage to the US economy is undeniable. The majority of the money that Illegals to earn is sent back to Mexico and therefore NOT recirculated within the US economy. Also lets not forget the heavy burden illegal immigrants heap upon the American taxpayer in the form of skyrocketing medical costs, rising insurance rates, and of course higher taxes to pay for the education of illegal immigrant children. Now with that said, there needs to be recognition of the near impossibility of mass deportation. I am not opposed to some kind of amnesty program, but there should be stiff fines involved. And those fines should translate directly into tax cuts for the rest of us. Just my opinion.

hows this for a first post? a little long winded perhapse.... So now I'm ready for the liberals to call me a bigot and a racist or maybe even insult my intelligence (wouldnt advise that btw) I'm pretty much expecting the same kind of response to attempts at logical debate that I typically recieve from the liberal opposition.

ps. I saw some bull earlier about the founding fathers being liberal..... I'm not really sure I understand how an individual could come up with a statement like that. The founding fathers were for freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM it, they were also against large government and heavy taxes, and believed that people had the right to keep and bear arms with the intent of keeping government in check. As far as foreign policy goes, the founding fathers may have been a bit isolationist, but I doubt either dominant political party of today could really make that claim. Government will act (regardless of who is running it), and then attempt to justify it if it suits their purposes. So, barring isolationism, which party really more closely resembles the ideals of the founding fathers? The party which follows strictly the ideals of the constitution, or the party that feels the constitution is a "living" document that was intended to just be a sort of loose guideline. I would say the choice is obvious. But I'd still like to hear a rebuttal.

Welcome to the forum, though i disagree with you greatly i still liked reading what and how you believe.
First of all I don't think that America is a great country, at least not at the moment.
I don't think that America does as much as they posibly can with Charity. The Pres. is more worried about wars.
and about your P.S. I disagree again you say "The founding fathers were about freedom of religion and against large goverments and heavy taxes"
With that being saidi know that the founding fathers must have been liberal.
P.S. Nice try anyway and welcome to the arguments.
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The definition of liberal has undergone a massive change in the preceding 25 years.

The founding fathers were indeed liberals, CLASSIC LIBERALS, but that doesn't have any relation to the tards that call themselves liberals today,.
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Old 05-02-2006, 01:42 PM
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Capitalist pig.... first, welcome to the forum. I am happy that there are so many people to talk and argue with now. I have a few things to say. Where do you get your info? And you want a tax cut? Give me a break. Other people have to pay more money then you. Well...the money may mean more to ppl with minimum wage.
Again...welcome to the forum.
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Old 05-02-2006, 01:45 PM
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Capitalist pig.... first, welcome to the forum. I am happy that there are so many people to talk and argue with now. I have a few things to say. Where do you get your info? And you want a tax cut? Give me a break. Other people have to pay more money then you. Well...the money may mean more to ppl with minimum wage.
Again...welcome to the forum.

Yes you took the words out of my mouth.
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