Let me first say that illegal aliens are not here to work. Some of them do. Of those a good proportion of their wages go out of the country, never to help out our domestic economy again. Plus as a bonus this money will help pay to bring more.

Criminal aliens (as I think they should be called) while maybe looking to become a citizen, for the perks, do not want to assimilate. They do not plan to change their language, and more importantly don’t plan on changing their allegiance from what ever place they came from. They intend on demanding that WE change to suit them.

Let’s look at the problems.

The pro-illegal alien lobby has a LOT of money and can hire PR people to spin anything any way, there are myths and lies that the public has both willingly and mistakenly started to promote. The FACTS are:

1. It is NOT racist to call these people "illegal aliens" In fact; "illegal aliens" is the only term used in federal laws and regulations to describe criminals who come into our country illegally. I prefer Criminal aliens.

2. Mexico is NOT a poor country. By sending its teeming masses to our country, that status keeps on rising. Mexico has more resources per square mile than the U.S. and plenty of money to take care of its own people. Why should the taxpayers of this country subsidize Mexico's corruption?

3. Illegal aliens are NOT necessarily coming here to work. 33 percent of our prison population is now comprised of non-citizens. Plus, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are illegally on welfare. So, for a good proportion of these people, the American dream is crime and welfare, not coming here to work.

4. Illegal aliens are NOT doing work Americans won't do. What jobs won't Americans do? In most states, Americans still clean their own houses, do their own landscaping, clean hotel rooms, work in restaurants and fast food places, paint houses, DO CONSTRUCTION WORK, work in airports, etc. - just like we have the past 200 years before "our" government allowed these people to invade our country. There are 18 million Americans who cannot find a job, so illegal aliens who are coming here to work do so at peril to American workers.

5. Illegal aliens absolutely do not contribute more than they cost. Certainly the millions in prison and on welfare aren't contributing a dime to our economy, and the ones who are working often are paid in cash with no deductions for taxes at all. The ones who use fraudulent social security numbers and qualify to pay taxes and social security have so many deductions for dependents that they pay little if any taxes. We have seen them pay less than $100 in taxes and get back $4,000 refunds (thanks to earned income tax credits and multiple dependents).Some bargain, eh?

6. The economy does NOT depend on illegal aliens. Sure, greedy CEOs (making $50 to $150 MILLION a year) and business owners depend on illegal aliens, but due to #3, #4 and #5 above, the only thing illegal aliens are contributing to is the collapse of our economy and making the rich richer.

7. Without illegal aliens, the price of agricultural products and other goods and services will NOT soar. The definitive study on this subject is the University of Iowa's "How Much Is That Tomato?" The study concludes that 'since labor is such a small component of the end-price of agricultural products (which includes price to the growers, transportation costs, processing /storage costs, grocers' profit, etc.), using minimum wage workers instead of illegal aliens would increase prices of agricultural products by approximately 3 percent in the summer and 4 percent in the winter ... hardly the making of $10 heads of lettuce, $25 hamburgers, $1,000 per night Days Inn hotel rooms like the pro-illegal alien lobby claims.

8. Consumers are NOT benefiting from lower labor costs. Again, it's CEOs and business owners who benefit from taxpayer subsidies for their illegal alien workers. The Big Three automakers say they moved so many jobs to Mexico because their labor costs are 80 percent less than in America. Anybody notice the price of new cars spiraling downward under NAFTA?

Let's get a grip. I know some of you at AWE will disagree with my stance on this issue. The facts are however, 87% of Americans do not want amnesty, want closed borders and want employers who hire Criminal Aliens punished. Yet the federal government time and time again try to pass amnesty bills through the back door and secretly.Who are they working for?

A good part of this post was taken from the article, Myths and lies of illegal immigration by Kathy McKee published January 4, 2004 in The Sonoran News andTHE AMERICAN RESISTANCE FOUNDATION, founded by D.A. King - a coalition of immigration crime fighters opposing illegal and undocumented immigration, founded by D.A. King

Everyone with a brain knows illegal aliens are not good for this country. People that argue in illegal alien defense do so out of allegiance to them not because it's good for this country.

It's fine they want to argue and support illegal aliens but to claim it's not bad for this countries economy is just ridiculous. Oklahoma construction worker my whole life. I've lived through the devastating effect illegal aliens have on an economy.

Oklahoma has the cheapest homes in the nation for a reason....

Nobody in their right mind would live there.

I glad you said "lived through". Are things getting better now that you (OK)have some good immigration laws?

I have friends, family men, who were roofers, carpenters, plumbers and things. they can't buy a job. All the work is being done by cheap Illegals.

We also have a housing (Mortgage) crisis. However a good number of forclosures are for Latino owners. Owners who were targeted by the mortgage companies with special programs. These owners don't even try to keep the property just walk away, period. Now were supposed to bail everyone out?

Absolutely! A few threads in Immigration Forum I've posted the changes since passing some of the strictest laws on illegals of any state. Our unemployment rate is crashing to super low levels because of that legislation. In such a housing slump it's amazing Arizona and Oklahoma are the only 2 states with a shortage of construction workers on new homes (some professions, not all). Being the only 2 states with strict immigration laws it's no wonder.... I dislike our state government but DAMN they hit a home run on tougher immigration enforcement!

As was pointed out, this post was taken from an article that absolutely debunks the myths and lies of illegal immigration. What can't be over emphasized, however, is the responsibility that the employers of illegals bear in this illegal Mexican invasion. These unscrupulous employers of illegals have been allowed to convey the message 'if you come illegally we will hire you'. The illegals have done just that and the employers of illegals, of course, hired them. You can bash illegals all you want but the only way to EVER stop this illegal Mexican invasion is to FORCE the unscrupulous employers of illegals to stop hiring illegals. The new tough on illegals/tough on the employers of illegals laws do just that. By requiring MANDATORY e-verification of the legal status of an employee and REMOVING the business license of repeat offender employers of illegals, which forced these unscrupulous employers of illegals to actually fire their illegals, removing the jobs magnet, or suffer the consequences, Arizona and Oklahoma engineered a mass exodus of illegals from those two states. All this at very little cost to the American taxpayers.

The average CEO in America makes about $150,000 a year.
Democrats like Obama and Hillary have the perfect solution to eliminate all illegals in the US...............make them legal.

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Yes. But many conservatives have taken to calling them simply, "Illegals" which is sorta dehumanizing. more importantly, they lump statistics about illegal aliens and the legal Latino population as a whole, together, and then totally ignore illegal aliens from other countries in their equation.

Okay, so if they aren't here for money, what the sinister secondary agenda?


This is one of those things I was talking about.

First of all, I couldn't find that number anywhere, but I suspect, as usual, that it's not the percentage of non-citizen inmates, but rather the population of latinos overall in Jail, citizens or not. You see what I mean about lumping the two together as though they're interchangeable?

Here's a better question: The population of white citizens in jail WAY outnumbers the population of illegal immigrants in jail. Why are the illegal immigrants the ones you think are the problem?

Once again, your numbers are not for illegal aliens, they are numbers for legal latino citizens. If you aren't racist, stop using statistics about the racial group instead of the citizenship status.

And again, whites on welfare outnumber Latinos on welfare by just over 3-to-1. Why arent you screaming about them?

This is half-true. However, Americans are NOT willing to do these jobs for less than a dollar an hour.

I can provide a source for my information. Can you? I tried to find this number anywhere, and I coudn't. Even if I Could, it totally ignores money spent back into the conomy, and money saved by employers on not having to pay out as much to an American worker.

Again, not saying illegal immigrants deserve to be here, but this is just poor reasoning.

Depnd on? No. But it's mendacious at best to suggest that the Avarice of CEO's you just wrote about is less of a problem then the illegal immigrants they employ. Are they not the primary source of the problem?

[/quote]Without illegal aliens, the price of agricultural products and other goods and services will NOT soar. The definitive study on this subject is the University of Iowa's "How Much Is That Tomato?" The study concludes that 'since labor is such a small component of the end-price of agricultural products (which includes price to the growers, transportation costs, processing /storage costs, grocers' profit, etc.), using minimum wage workers instead of illegal aliens would increase prices of agricultural products by approximately 3 percent in the summer and 4 percent in the winter ... hardly the making of $10 heads of lettuce, $25 hamburgers, $1,000 per night Days Inn hotel rooms like the pro-illegal alien lobby claims. [/quote]

Well yeah, like we said above, the economy wouldn't collapse. I've got no problem with that.

I have no problem with most of those reforms (save the border fence), but if the 87% are making their decision based on the faulty evidence you provided, then they are not making an informed decision, which invalidates its worth.

How about simply use the argument of *Enforcing the law*? What a novel idea huh?
Deport them! Plain and simple! Might ought to consider throwing some legislaters in prison also for intentionally PREVENTING state and local law enforcement from enforcing an existing law!