Never said we were, reading on...

Okay. Does that mean every fat fuck in a trailer park who has no job and collects welfare and beats his wife is somehow of a superior moral value because he happened to fall out of the right vagina?

I'm asking you to make a value judgement: Are domestic-born murderers more or less evil then illegal immigrant cabbage-pickers?


That's a very good question. If you remove the crime and job elements from the conservative side of this, then illegal immigration is exactly as much of a non-issue as I said it was.

Well, they've comitted "a" felony, I'll agree with you there. But again, you aren't substantiating why this issue should take precidence over at least 5 or 10 others that are facing this country.

They aren't. We deport illegal immigrants in this country. My question is whether or not we should be wasting my tax dollars on increasing the rates of this, or worse, ruining this country by walling it in.

Because your land is not valuable. While everyone else's was artificially inflated by flipping, and legitimately increased by higher populations in smaller areas, Oklahoma saw no spike in value. In other words, everyone else's went up at four times the rate Oklahoma's did, and is now dropping off in preportion.

Home costs are based on land values, not building costs.

And my point was that whether a city has a large immigrant population or NOT home prices have dropped, which means that the presence or absence of illegal aliens clearly had no effect. Unless you are suggesting that the Illegal aliens who were made to leave Oklahoma ended up in Seattle at an exactly equal rate that they ended up in the states that actually boarder Oklahoma. You must admit that would be silly.


1. Building costs are not the issue. Building costs do not drive home values. A house that costs more to build is not going to succesfully resell at a rate that is not comprable to its location. You can pay a million dollars to construct a home but that doesn't mean it will sell for a million if it's on top of Yucca mountain.

2. Even if that were the issue, your example falls flat due to the fact that there is no other indicator linking home values to illegal alien presense. You'd need more evidence to base that assumption on.

3. Again tell me why this makes this a national priority. Do you really believe that if we deported every illegal immigrant tomorrow that home values would just shoot up? What about the homes that had already been built?

What planet are you on? take a look at Oklahoma county average real estate increases. I pay on several properties in 3 counties that I own. I know my real numbers and I also know what offers were made to buy my rental properties. Wish I had sold a couple last year to be honest!


-Again, what planet are you on? Labor costs are 50% the price of a new built home (I should know!), when labor prices increase or decrease it DIRECTLY influences the cost of homes. Labor prices are INCREASING even to this day in a terrible home building economy due to the REMOVAL of so many illegal aliens.


You are cluelss because I keep saying our home prices are NOT dropping! look it up online, sheesh! INCREASED labor costs are the ONLY reason our home prices have not dropped like the rest of the nation. Why are labor prices increasing? A shortage of cosntruction workers, DUH! Why a shortage? They are leaving our state either by force or no employer will hire them for fear of our new legislation!

You know, it does not take a genius to figure this out. This is very elementary economics and working in the industry, talking with builders, it's quite obvious what is happening. Builders are pissed at the price increases but they have no choice but to pay it for a slew of sub contracting professions.





--- Right, uh huh, sure thing man. Building costs have absolutely nothing to do with the final cost of a product. BRILLIANT!


I want to visit your world sometime.

If illegal aliens are such a "non-issue", then why did you even bother posting this thread?

Are you merely an attention whore then?

Don't care that drugs are smuggled into this country by illegal aliens?

We can take care of several problems while taking care of this one core issue, sparky. use the brain nature gave you and you would see that.

Haven't you noticed that since Calderon announced his 100 million dollar PR campaign to try to influence the American sheeple into thinking more positively about the illegal Mexican invasion, a deluge of pro illegal posters have appeared on these forums overnight in April and May. The new posters have no profiles so you don't know what part of Mexico they're from or what Latino surname they are hiding.