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Old 05-30-2008, 08:02 AM
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Old 05-30-2008, 01:24 PM
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Politicians are attacking the employers that are their competition in the private sector and protect themselves from being prosecuted for employing illegals.
Everyone knows Nancy Pelosi employs illegals in her vineyards, yet she is protected!
Politicians have you paying employee benefits for their illegal workers to max their profits.
Yep, Pelosi is a scumbag employer of illegals in her vineyards AND her chain of restaurants. Pelosi lured the illegals here with the promise of a job if they will come. When they come Pelosi pays a cheap wage that Americans won't work for and nothing else. The exploited illegals probably live 20 in a house and the American taxpayers pick up the bill for the ER medical, which has become the illegals health plan, and for the free education for the illegals families, which has resulted in overcrowded disrupted classrooms, and with a few fake documents, free social services. Yep, Pelosi is a scumbag employer of illegals, who is also protected by the liberal MSM which is owned by special interest ruling elites.
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Old 06-04-2008, 02:10 PM
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What we have is a dysfunctional fed gov run by and for special interest ruling elites. Since the dysfunctional fed gov is incapable of dealing with illegal immigration, the states have started to deal with illegal immigration, realizing that if any real enforcement is going to be done, it will have to be done at the states level. The new tough on illegals/tough on the employers of illegals laws such as passed in Arizona and Oklahoma reflect the latest trend in trying to stop the illegal Mexican invasion, that is by removing the jobs magnet created by scumbag employers of illegals who hire illegals. People have realized that the illegal Mexican invasion will never be stopped unless the jobs magnet is removed, and social services to illegals stopped.
I am not sure this is a problem of the federal government (bureaucracy). The executive branch does what it is directed and funded to do.

The issue, in my opinion, is with the lack of adherence to our Constitution.

What objection can the opposing viewpoint have in complying with our Bill of Rights in ensuring individual liberty and the freedom to create legally binding social contracts, that may result in employment?

The Ninth and First Amendments enumerate both the individual power and the individual right to pursue happiness in a manner that may result in a social contract that provides for traditional labor input to the US economy.

The states power of Naturalization expired in 1808, and the states are denied and disparaged the power and right to legislate laws "impairing the Obligation of Contracts" in article first, section tenth of our (US) Constitution.

Why does the opposing viewpoint want to rely on less efficient command economics, in our form of federal democracy and mixed market economy?

A market friendly work visa public policy scheme would actually solve the issue black market, migrant labor participation in the US, while generating revenue and providing for the general Welfare of the United States by reducing public and private sector costs.

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Old 06-05-2008, 01:57 PM
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I am not sure this is a problem of the federal government (bureaucracy). The executive branch does what it is directed and funded to do.

The issue, in my opinion, is with the lack of adherence to our Constitution.

What objection can the opposing viewpoint have in complying with our Bill of Rights in ensuring individual liberty and the freedom to create legally binding social contracts, that may result in employment?

The Ninth and First Amendments enumerate both the individual power and the individual right to pursue happiness in a manner that may result in a social contract that provides for traditional labor input to the US economy.

The states power of Naturalization expired in 1808, and the states are denied and disparaged the power and right to legislate laws "impairing the Obligation of Contracts" in article first, section tenth of our (US) Constitution.

Why does the opposing viewpoint want to rely on less efficient command economics, in our form of federal democracy and mixed market economy?

A market friendly work visa public policy scheme would actually solve the issue black market, migrant labor participation in the US, while generating revenue and providing for the general Welfare of the United States by reducing public and private sector costs.
What protections would there be for our low skilled citizens who would compete against this foreign workforce?
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Old 06-06-2008, 12:49 PM
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Under current state laws, at-will employment could be used as a remedy to native and legal labor market participants for poverty resulting from a simple lack of income.

In practice, any labor market participant in the US, usually creates a legally binding social contract known as an employment contract or agreement, under state cognizance. Many states have at-will employment laws and recognize at-will employment doctrine. In principle, unemployment compensation should be also available, at-will, to comply with state labor and employment laws.
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Old 06-06-2008, 01:59 PM
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Let's pass tough on illegals/tough on the employers of illegals laws in all 50 states to get that massive self deportation of illegals back to where they came from, first, before we embark on any guest worker visa program. Only after a mass self deportation, which would force the employers of illegals to turn back to and start reemploying legal American citizens, will we be able to assess what our true guest worker visa program needs really are. With scumbag employers of illegals forced to stop hiring illegals, because of the tough on the employers of illegals laws, we wouldn't have to worry anymore about guest workers slipping off into that vast illegal alien underground, because there wouldn't be any jobs waiting for them anymore. The only other thing to stop would be the anchor baby abuse industry.
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Why do you advocate totalitarian police-state tactics?

Our Bill of Rights and Limited form of government were supposed to help ensure individual liberty by only delegating specifically enumerated powers to the general government of the Union.

A simple and market friendly work-visa public policy scheme could help lower our tax burden, in a way that forms of Prohibition only serve to increase that form of revenue generation.
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Old 06-06-2008, 11:54 PM
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Why do you advocate totalitarian police-state tactics?

Our Bill of Rights and Limited form of government were supposed to help ensure individual liberty by only delegating specifically enumerated powers to the general government of the Union.

A simple and market friendly work-visa public policy scheme could help lower our tax burden, in a way that forms of Prohibition only serve to increase that form of revenue generation.
Hardly. But we are a nation of laws and we must stop the illegal practice of illegally hiring illegals and return to being a nation of laws. Illegal aliens, who don't have a right to live and work in the US, are drawn to the US by unscrupulous employers of illegals who have let it be know that they will hire, and exploit, of course, those illegals that come. So, to stop this illegal practice we simply require employers to verify the legality of employees. After all, only a scumbag employer of illegal who wants the so called cheap subsidized labor to gain an advantage over their competition that doesn't break the law by hiring illegals. By simply requiring employers to verify the legality of their employees, which is only common sense anyway, we force those scumbag employers to stop their illegal practices, or face massive fines, which will have the desired effect of stopping and reversing the illegal Mexican invasion. This is hardly totalitarian police state tactics.
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Old 06-09-2008, 12:21 AM
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I thought complying with the laws meant we are a nation of laws?

In any case, some laws are very inefficient and not very market friendly. Prohibition has never worked in the history of the United States, despite an amendment that specifically enumerated the power to prohibit forms of commerce between the several states of the Union.

States have no Constitutional obligation to care if someone is from out of state or out of State since 1808. It is a federal customs and naturalization issue, not a states' rights issue.

In any event, private individuals have a Ninth Amendment power and right to create social contracts that may result in employment. The several states are specifically denied and disparaged the power and right to impair in the obligation of contracts between private individuals exercising their Ninth and Tenth Amendment powers and rights.

Simply fining current illegal labor market participants and issuing a work visa would solve the problem of illegals and that form of illegality. It would also generate revenue that can lower our tax burden and other public and private sector costs.

What you advocate will only cost the taxpayer more.
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Old 06-09-2008, 02:49 PM
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I thought complying with the laws meant we are a nation of laws?

In any case, some laws are very inefficient and not very market friendly. Prohibition has never worked in the history of the United States, despite an amendment that specifically enumerated the power to prohibit forms of commerce between the several states of the Union.

States have no Constitutional obligation to care if someone is from out of state or out of State since 1808. It is a federal customs and naturalization issue, not a states' rights issue.

In any event, private individuals have a Ninth Amendment power and right to create social contracts that may result in employment. The several states are specifically denied and disparaged the power and right to impair in the obligation of contracts between private individuals exercising their Ninth and Tenth Amendment powers and rights.

Simply fining current illegal labor market participants and issuing a work visa would solve the problem of illegals and that form of illegality. It would also generate revenue that can lower our tax burden and other public and private sector costs.

What you advocate will only cost the taxpayer more.
We're a nation of laws, but with a corrupt fed gov that is available to the highest bidder. The biggest business in Washington is lobbying.

Market friendly laws have always been and will continue to be rejected if they're not also good for the American society, as a whole.

Whether states or the fed gov have jurisdiction over immigration doesn't matter too much at this point with our corrupt fed gov available to the highest bidder. It does matter that those with the most money to buy the fed gov are those employers of illegals who profit so much from hiring the illegal poverty reject scabs from Mexico.

What needs to be done first is to force the scumbag employers of illegals to stop hiring the illegal Mexican scabs, to remove the jobs magnet that will stop them from breaking in. In addition, without jobs, those illegal Mexican scabs who are already here will have to mostly go back to Mexico. Yeah, we'll have to forcibly kick out the criminal illegals. Then, and only then, when all the illegal Mexican scabs have self deported, and legal unemployed Americans have had a chance to get some of those jobs vacated by the illegal Mexican scabs, can we really begain to assess just how many guest workers we really need.
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