I may agree with your logic if I were a democrat advocating amnesty. I am not a democrat or advocating amnesty. We already know amnesty does not solve the problem or you would not have a vexing illegal problem now.

Have you ever heard of a fixit ticket? That is the model a market friendly public policy scheme could use to solve the problem of illegals and certain forms of illegalities.

What about your logic. It doesn't make any sense, from my perspective, since a market friendly work visa would not be a permanent residency visa.

Labor market participants would be less likely to bring their families if they can work here legally under a work visa without having to jump through current bureaucratic hurdles. However, if they did want to bring their families, they would still have to apply for a permanent residency visa or naturalization like they do now; only they would already be legal labor market participants. Thus, you should not have a problem with illegals bringing more illegals, just to annoy you, Teak, and Clay.

Personally, I think our two party system is no longer as effective as it could be. Consider the effect of a hypothetical Capitalist party on current politics. If there were a hypothetical Capitalist party, they could simply nominate the wealthiest person in the republic and the individual who received the largest bonus in the republic, and put them on the ballot. Voters would then have a market friendly and voter friendly choice on who else to vote for besides our current institutional candidates.

You supplied nothing to support you idealistic crap. Now address this, I posted it for you numerous times.

__________________
If you want change stop electing "liberal: democrats and "radical" Republicans. Find and support true Conservatives; those who believe in fiscal responsibilities, individual accountability, and a smaller government, with less control of your daily life.

The problem is that both parties are on the same pendulum and have gone way beyond the ideology of the original true Democrat or Republican. The pendulum has swong so far to the left and then right that there is no right or wrong, only do anything to stay in power and fill your own till regardless of it's effect on the nation.

If Mc Cain wins we can watch things remain the same. May be if Obama wins it could be the beginning of a mind set in government that is less mean spirited and more apt to lead to real change dispite the fears of some.

__________________
Archimedes
Because they can't wait use Rescue 8
self closing flotation rescue device.

Obama is not going to change anything except to lower the amount of your take home pay. Oh, he might grant amnesty to the illegals already here, but he won't secure the border, or allow any major changes to the immigration policy. Unless its to increase the number of H1B visa granted. He'll let the new illegals take care of the unskilled labor.

__________________
If you want change stop electing "liberal: democrats and "radical" Republicans. Find and support true Conservatives; those who believe in fiscal responsibilities, individual accountability, and a smaller government, with less control of your daily life.

How many, non-US citizens are on the planet that could, potentially, apply for a market friendly work visa on an annual basis. How many current illegals are there that could be fined to generate revenue?

It was not rocket science. I was under the impression that I explained it in a simple enough manner.

Address this, with variable facts and sources, not opinion.

__________________
If you want change stop electing "liberal: democrats and "radical" Republicans. Find and support true Conservatives; those who believe in fiscal responsibilities, individual accountability, and a smaller government, with less control of your daily life.

I think it more important to be voter friendly than market friendly because it sounds like more would be done in line with the peoples wishes. We have been too market friendly, if I understand your meaning of this term, as in big bisssiness and now we are controlled by them.
How about we do away with all lobbies and contributions and have the government contribute to campaigns...a set amount to each candidate. We could get away from the effects of big bucks on all of our policies, foreign and domestic. Politicians then would work for the vote and the people instead of $$$, because they would have to.

Rooster, our congressmen can't even abide by the ethics rules they created. How in the world do you propose keeping them away from the lobbyists and their money?

__________________
If you want change stop electing "liberal: democrats and "radical" Republicans. Find and support true Conservatives; those who believe in fiscal responsibilities, individual accountability, and a smaller government, with less control of your daily life.

What is opinion about simple math. Simply multiply the current number of illegals in the country by an arbitrary fine to get a product.

Consider twenty million illegals times (for example) one thousand dollars. This could be the revenue generated from fines. Under ideal conditions, the revenue generated from fines from twenty million people could result in revenue of twenty billion dollars from fines alone.

Fees would depend on the number of people wanting to try their luck in the US market for labor, and could be generated annually from those same participants. Let's use an arbitrary number such as five hundred dollars for a fee. The fee is less than the fine to induce people to come in legally or pay a higher fine.

Potentially, anyone who now obtains a tourist visa would be able to obtain a market friendly work visa. It could result in a potential revenue stream of twenty eight billion dollars if we use the numbers below.

How do you do away with people exercising their First Amendment right to free speech and redress of grievances?

Market friendly is not about only about big business since small business and individual labor market participants can also benefit from market friendliness. It simply means using more "normal" market forces, instead of the command economics being advocated to solve simple scio-economic problems.

What if there were a hypothetical Capitalist Party that put their candidates on the ballot using their own party criteria; that of being either the richest person in the republic or the person who received the largest bonus? It would be market friendly since they can only meet that criteria by using market forces. It would be voter friendly since they would appear on the ballot, thus giving individuals another choice for that elected office.