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03-03-2008, 05:50 PM
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Judges getting the message about Ilegal Immigrants
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Judges Getting the Message About Illegal Immigrants
By Phyllis Schlafly
Monday, March 3, 2008
Four children including two brothers were killed, and 12 others were hospitalized with injuries, in Minnesota last week when a van reportedly ignored a stop sign and barreled into a school bus. The driver of the van, who did not speak English or have a valid drivers license, was charged with homicide.
Authorities described the driver as an illegal immigrant using a phony name. She had pled guilty in 2006 for driving without a license.
For years, courts and lawyers have intimidated towns from protecting themselves against the invasion of illegal immigrants. In 2006, Escondido, Calif., backed away from its housing ordinance to curtail leases to illegal immigrants and even agreed to pay $90,000 in legal fees to plaintiffs challenging the law.
Last summer, a federal court slapped down an attempt by Hazleton, Pa., to penalize employers and landlords who hire and lease to illegal immigrants. Hazleton had been hit by an influx of illegal immigrants and victimized by some of their shocking crimes.
But in August, Newark, N.J., no stranger to violence, was shaken by the brutal murder of several college-bound teenagers who were harmlessly enjoying music at a playground. The victims were black, and the perpetrator was an illegal immigrant from Peru who had been previously charged with raping a 5-year-old girl but had been released despite his obvious illegal presence in this country.
Another imported crime is driving the wrong way on highways, with headlights turned off, in order to escape detection while smuggling drugs or people. Several deadly crashes resulting from this practice have been reported.
The American people's outrage at violations of the law by illegal immigrants was heard loud and clear by the U.S. Senate when it defeated the amnesty bill last year. Now, even judges may be getting the message.
In December, a federal judge in Oklahoma upheld an Oklahoma law requiring state contractors to determine and verify the immigration status of new hires. U.S. District Judge James H. Payne threw out a legal challenge to the law.
In January, U.S. District Judge E. Richard Webber emphatically ruled against illegal immigrants who had sued to overturn a similar ordinance enacted by Valley Park, Mo., a town near St. Louis. The court upheld the ordinance, which was directed at employers who were hiring illegal immigrants.
The third strike against illegal immigrants came in February when U.S. District Judge Neil V. Wake rejected each and every argument challenging a new Arizona law that imposes penalties on businesses that knowingly hire illegal immigrants. He dismissed the claim that federal law somehow ties the hands of state and local governments seeking to protect their own citizens.
These three decisions in three different parts of the country included both Republican- and Democratic-appointed judges. In the term loved by the mainstream media, there is now bipartisan judicial support for state and local legislation against illegal immigrants.
University of Missouri at Kansas City Law professor Kris Kobach says these decisions give "a green light to other communities" seeking to pass similar ordinances.
Hazleton, Pa., Mayor Lou Barletta vigorously supported his city's ordinance cracking down on illegal immigrants. Despite being vilified by liberal Pennsylvania newspapers, he won nearly 95 percent of the vote in his Republican primary for re-election last year.
But that wasn't all. In the same election, Barletta also won the Democratic nomination on a write-in vote, defeating the leading candidate in the Democratic primary by a stunning 2-to-1 margin.
In the Arizona case, the court noted the research of George Borjas, an economist at the Harvard University Kennedy School of Government, who concluded that hiring illegal immigrants depresses wages for legal workers because illegals accept lower pay without benefits. Those hardest hit are uneducated legal workers, who in Arizona alone lost $1.4 billion in 2006 in the form of lower wages.
The nine months between now and the November election give states, cities and towns ample time to do what Congress has failed to do: protect U.S. citizens against the lawless entry of illegal immigrants. That means penalizing employers who hire illegal immigrants and landlords who lease to them.
It is long overdue for public officials to rid the United States of imported crimes and to stand up for legal workers, especially the poorly educated ones who need an entry-level job to start building their lives. Now that a green light has been provided by the courts, states and cities should proceed full steam ahead to protect their citizens from illegal immigrants.
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03-04-2008, 03:31 PM
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This is a very interesting post. Finally, people actually speaking out about the problems of illegal immigration and its subsequent consequences on law abiding citizens. I would like to see government do more in taking the steps necessary to curb illegal immigration. The problem is, neither party feels like it is a big problem. Republicans enjoy the cheap labor, while the democrats feel bad on a human rights front. Though I am an avid believer of human rights in this world, compared to genocide or political persecution, people entering the U.S. illegally do not face either from their home country (primarily from Mexico). What about the human rights violations used in the article about illegals who drive recklessly and harm lives? Also, with cheap labor comes cheap quality of products because Americans are not producing them. American jobs are taken elsewhere and replaced by others.
I have absolutely no sympathy for illegal immigrants. I am a legal Russian immigrant who came to the U.S. with my family 18 years ago. We fled the Soviet Union and came to the U.S. as refugees. I lived in Europe for half a year before we were even allowed to enter the U.S. We all endured difficulties in assimilating to the culture, but it is not impossible. Laws are set up for a reason and, yes, it may take some time for one to enter this country legally. Another example: we petitioned for my aunt and her family in the mid-90s and they only NOW have permission (they are coming this summer). For people to come here illegally is the greatest example of laziness, and is a complete slap in the face for those of us who faced real danger in leaving our home countries. We risked it all, yet still found a way not to break any laws. I love this country and everything it has to offer (except perhaps the current administration…but as an American citizen I have that right too  ).
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03-05-2008, 06:28 PM
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Thanks for responding to my thread. This country was built on immigration but not the illegals.
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03-05-2008, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FromRussiaWithLove
This is a very interesting post. Finally, people actually speaking out about the problems of illegal immigration and its subsequent consequences on law abiding citizens. I would like to see government do more in taking the steps necessary to curb illegal immigration. The problem is, neither party feels like it is a big problem. Republicans enjoy the cheap labor, while the democrats feel bad on a human rights front. Though I am an avid believer of human rights in this world, compared to genocide or political persecution, people entering the U.S. illegally do not face either from their home country (primarily from Mexico). What about the human rights violations used in the article about illegals who drive recklessly and harm lives? Also, with cheap labor comes cheap quality of products because Americans are not producing them. American jobs are taken elsewhere and replaced by others.
I have absolutely no sympathy for illegal immigrants. I am a legal Russian immigrant who came to the U.S. with my family 18 years ago. We fled the Soviet Union and came to the U.S. as refugees. I lived in Europe for half a year before we were even allowed to enter the U.S. We all endured difficulties in assimilating to the culture, but it is not impossible. Laws are set up for a reason and, yes, it may take some time for one to enter this country legally. Another example: we petitioned for my aunt and her family in the mid-90s and they only NOW have permission (they are coming this summer). For people to come here illegally is the greatest example of laziness, and is a complete slap in the face for those of us who faced real danger in leaving our home countries. We risked it all, yet still found a way not to break any laws. I love this country and everything it has to offer (except perhaps the current administration…but as an American citizen I have that right too  ).
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It is interesting to hear a perspective from a legal immigrant. Unfortunately, in this country, the illegal immigration problems have caused so much controversy, that it has given a black eye to all immigrants. Especially those of Mexican descent. Unlike you, many of the illegals are more loyal to their country of origin, than to the country they have decided to invade illegally. It is nice to know/be reassured that there are immigrants out there that love this country as I do.
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03-05-2008, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by FromRussiaWithLove
This is a very interesting post. Finally, people actually speaking out about the problems of illegal immigration and its subsequent consequences on law abiding citizens. I would like to see government do more in taking the steps necessary to curb illegal immigration. The problem is, neither party feels like it is a big problem. Republicans enjoy the cheap labor, while the democrats feel bad on a human rights front. Though I am an avid believer of human rights in this world, compared to genocide or political persecution, people entering the U.S. illegally do not face either from their home country (primarily from Mexico). What about the human rights violations used in the article about illegals who drive recklessly and harm lives? Also, with cheap labor comes cheap quality of products because Americans are not producing them. American jobs are taken elsewhere and replaced by others.
I have absolutely no sympathy for illegal immigrants. I am a legal Russian immigrant who came to the U.S. with my family 18 years ago. We fled the Soviet Union and came to the U.S. as refugees. I lived in Europe for half a year before we were even allowed to enter the U.S. We all endured difficulties in assimilating to the culture, but it is not impossible. Laws are set up for a reason and, yes, it may take some time for one to enter this country legally. Another example: we petitioned for my aunt and her family in the mid-90s and they only NOW have permission (they are coming this summer). For people to come here illegally is the greatest example of laziness, and is a complete slap in the face for those of us who faced real danger in leaving our home countries. We risked it all, yet still found a way not to break any laws. I love this country and everything it has to offer (except perhaps the current administration…but as an American citizen I have that right too  ).
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You are an example as to how and what immigrants should be. Thanks for becoming an American.
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03-06-2008, 12:06 AM
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I can see a little bit of relevance to this. I also see the irrelevance of the whole problem in context, that despite what people do not realize. We do not share a unguarded border with Europe, Asia, or Africa. Immigrants from those areas have no choice but to apply the legal way for the most part.
The underlying issue, is that I say this over and over. Is the welfare state. We not only do not keep tabs on who comes in from the Southern Border, we allow them tax payer funded services that literally gives them incentives to come here and close down hospitals and run our State Governments into deficits.
End the welfare State and we could fix a lot of Societal problems. Kids having kids, Illegal Immigration, and so on.
Thats my two sense, anyhow.
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03-06-2008, 06:33 AM
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But in August, Newark, N.J., no stranger to violence, was shaken by the brutal murder of several college-bound teenagers who were harmlessly enjoying music at a playground. The victims were black, and the perpetrator was an illegal immigrant from Peru who had been previously charged with raping a 5-year-old girl but had been released despite his obvious illegal presence in this country.
I agree with everything you said. I just wanted to point out that there was 4 illegals involved with this murder. The one mentioned above was a active member of M.S. 13, and police think it may of been a initioation for the other three. Three out of four collage kids were shot exicution style, and the lone surviver fought off being raped only to have her 17 year old face hacked up by a machettee. She pretended to be dead, and later identified her attackers.
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03-06-2008, 11:09 AM
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I would just like to thank Rob and Freedomlover for their kind words on this thread.
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03-06-2008, 06:24 PM
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I would just like to thank Rob and Freedomlover for their kind words on this thread.
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Well I am always glad to meet people that want to become Americans and not demand anything but the chance to improve their lives.
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03-06-2008, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by satv365
I can see a little bit of relevance to this. I also see the irrelevance of the whole problem in context, that despite what people do not realize. We do not share a unguarded border with Europe, Asia, or Africa. Immigrants from those areas have no choice but to apply the legal way for the most part.
The underlying issue, is that I say this over and over. Is the welfare state. We not only do not keep tabs on who comes in from the Southern Border, we allow them tax payer funded services that literally gives them incentives to come here and close down hospitals and run our State Governments into deficits.
End the welfare State and we could fix a lot of Societal problems. Kids having kids, Illegal Immigration, and so on.
Thats my two sense, anyhow.
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You forgot rural under employed shit kickers who's kids get reduced price lunches at school, and go to school board meeting to try to vote down new text books, and vote republican, red states who put their hand out every time a storm blows down a traailer park, and milingering fat ass MILITARY "DEPENDENTS" who sit on their ass eating bon bons from the tax supported comisary and living in government housing
"Anyhow"....that would sole a lot MORE problems
As foir imigration :
Deport the right wingers, keep the Mexicans THEY ARE BETTER AMERICANS
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