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02-12-2008, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rob
What people can't discuss a subject without getting upset? Plus don't give me the crap of a different world. Did the European settlers come here legaly or illegaly?
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It depends on how you define illegal. There were no such things as passports and visa's then. If you arrived, and the ship cleared a health inspection, passengers were expected to take a loyalty oath, and pay taxes to the local authority.
My mothers family arrived in this country, in 1740, at the port of Philadelphia, after clearing British customs, and medical exams, they were allowed to proceed, and establish their homestead. So I guess they were considered legal residents. They became Americans after the Revolutionary War.
Prior to that, settlers arrived and were met by Native Americans, some were made welcome (guess they were legal) and some were met with hostility, and fighting(guess they were illegal). Now separating out the two might prove problematic, after all this time.
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02-12-2008, 10:13 AM
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At the chance of being called a racist here, what is the difference between the immigrants of the 1600's and the illegals we have in this country today?
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The immigrants of the 1600's as you said built this country. The majority of the new immigrants {illegal aliens} can't build anything besides a rap sheet. Left on their own in their respective countries they cannot build an economy let alone a vehicle, toaster, refrigerator etc. So they come here, and our government lets them in. The only industry that is thriving due to this influx in the PRISON system. But hey, on the bright side lettuce is sorta' cheap.......
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The data on teen pregnancy is quite skewed .. the New Yorkers just killed the evidence. Notice they did not say "Teen pregnancy" which would reveal the animal morality of the blue states, but "Teen births" which is covered up in all blue states by the murder of the unborn.
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02-12-2008, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Heckler
There wasn't anyone to stop people from moving around then, at least not in America.
Sorry Rob, I just don't think it makes sense to compare such vastly different eras in that way.
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So your saying that the people that came over from Europe were not legal?
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02-12-2008, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Heckler
It was an entirely different world then, I don't think any sort of real comparison can be made.
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Agreed.
Immigration 1600-1860's
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02-12-2008, 10:46 AM
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So your saying that the people that came over from Europe were not legal?
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Not in the sense we think of today....Teak's post covers it pretty well actually.
Although there were others (not many) who came without anyone's approval or health clearance.....
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02-12-2008, 11:21 AM
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So your saying that the people that came over from Europe were not legal?
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Rob many natives gave amnesty to the europeans and look what happened. They started to fight back a little to late and look what happened. Where they illegal in the sense that they came and just took away land that already belonged to those that had owened it for thousands of years ya in a way I guess you could say they were illegal.
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02-14-2008, 03:09 PM
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Yes, everyone beside the native americans (which mexicans are part native south americans) are illegal. Last time I checked... no one invited us.
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02-15-2008, 03:08 AM
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Yes, everyone beside the native americans (which mexicans are part native south americans) are illegal. Last time I checked... no one invited us.
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Well, we conquered the Continent. Formed our own Country. I guess we should get on a boat and everyone can go back to our Countries of Genetic Origin than?
This is stupid.
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02-16-2008, 11:12 AM
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Well, we conquered the Continent. Formed our own Country.
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Exactly right! Maybe we should apologize and pay more reparations? Fuck that, I'm kidding of course.
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I guess we should get on a boat and everyone can go back to our Countries of Genetic Origin than?
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Nah. The Cubans go back on inner tubes and the Mexicans on foot, not eveyyone gets a boat ride.........
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02-18-2008, 06:07 PM
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Yes they all came with a desire to make a better life but were the European colonists illeglas as well?
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>>>Probably oughta ask the Injuns.
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