Guardsmen overrun at the Border

Stryker · #11 (**permalink**) 01-13-2008, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by freedomlover

Personally, I would get rid of "shove and show". I would think that it should be pretty clear, if your breaking the law, you are putting your own life at stake.

I will admit that I don't know the rules of engagement on the border. However, with border patrol agents sitting in prison for doing their job, seems pretty obvious to me, that your above rules are not the ones used. Tell me, when they move the border to just south of I70, would you engage, if it meant going to prison?

If mine or other Americans lives were threatened, yes, without question.

freedomlover · #12 (**permalink**) 01-13-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

If mine or other Americans lives were threatened, yes, without question.

The question was somewhat of a joke. Kansans aren't about to let the border be moved that far north. Course, I used to think that about Texans, but I think they have forgotten the Alamo.

My point is still the same. I don't believe in Amnesty. These people are criminals, and obviously seem willing to engage our armed forces. Is this not an act of war? Attacking a military point within the borders of the United States is an act of War. Why then, are we not sending huge amounts of military personnel to our southern border to protect our sovereignty?

Stryker · #13 (**permalink**) 01-13-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by freedomlover

The question was somewhat of a joke. Kansans aren't about to let the border be moved that far north. Course, I used to think that about Texans, but I think they have forgotten the Alamo.

My point is still the same. I don't believe in Amnesty. These people are criminals, and obviously seem willing to engage our armed forces. Is this not an act of war? Attacking a military point within the borders of the United States is an act of War. Why then, are we not sending huge amounts of military personnel to our southern border to protect our sovereignty?

Youre asking the wrong guy. If I could, Id love to be stationed on the US Mexico border, as well as a lot of other guys I know. Republicans dont seem to want to do anything about illegal immigration, if they do, they run the risk of completely losing the hispanic voters to democrats. And itll be a cold day in hell when Democrats do ANYTHING to protect our country.

freedomlover · #14 (**permalink**) 01-13-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

Youre asking the wrong guy. If I could, Id love to be stationed on the US Mexico border, as well as a lot of other guys I know. Republicans dont seem to want to do anything about illegal immigration, if they do, they run the risk of completely losing the hispanic voters to democrats. And itll be a cold day in hell when Democrats do ANYTHING to protect our country.

Your wrong about Democrats. And republicans don't do anything about illegals because they don't want to alienate the corporations, which fill their pockets. Course, same goes for Democrats anymore. It really has nothing to do with the voters.

Stryker · #15 (**permalink**) 01-13-2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by freedomlover

Your wrong about Democrats. And republicans don't do anything about illegals because they don't want to alienate the corporations, which fill their pockets. Course, same goes for Democrats anymore. It really has nothing to do with the voters.

Ummm... no, its all about the votes. And yes, Im right about the democrats. They havent put forward any kind of plan that would protect this country from further attacks.

freedomlover · #16 (**permalink**) 01-13-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

Ummm... no, its all about the votes. And yes, Im right about the democrats. They havent put forward any kind of plan that would protect this country from further attacks.

What exactly is the Republicans plans. To continue having wars of choice. I don't know one Democrat that would not support a war of necessity. It is wars of choice we have a problem with.

As a superpower, we have a great responsibility to use our military responsibly. That is what this Democrat understands.

Any "plan" that the Republicans put forward, is null and void from their actions after 9/11 until now (five of those years in which they were in complete control of this Great Nation). Their inaction in protecting our borders from invasion, their inability to rein in Bush, their action in supporting a war that took resources away from the war in Afghanistan(which has led to some serious consequences in both Iraq and Pakistan).

The fact that there has not been another attack on American soil, is simply a fluke. It is not the actions, or rather inactions of the Republicans that have prevented such. There is nothing in place that would have prevented terrorists from entering our country from the south.

And, as pointed out in the article, we are under attack. Illegals, drug runners, ect are attacking our military right here in the USA. And our government, including our CIC, is doing NOTHING to stop it.

So, what exactly is the Republican plan again?

ONEWHITEDUCK · #17 (**permalink**) 01-13-2008, 10:26 AM

Tell Me Something Freedom Hatin Granny..........why Did You Start A Hate The Mexicans Thread :-(

Should The Mexicans Not Be Free.

Stryker · #18 (**permalink**) 01-13-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by freedomlover

What exactly is the Republicans plans. To continue having wars of choice. I don't know one Democrat that would not support a war of necessity. It is wars of choice we have a problem with.

As a superpower, we have a great responsibility to use our military responsibly. That is what this Democrat understands.

Any "plan" that the Republicans put forward, is null and void from their actions after 9/11 until now (five of those years in which they were in complete control of this Great Nation). Their inaction in protecting our borders from invasion, their inability to rein in Bush, their action in supporting a war that took resources away from the war in Afghanistan(which has led to some serious consequences in both Iraq and Pakistan).

The fact that there has not been another attack on American soil, is simply a fluke. It is not the actions, or rather inactions of the Republicans that have prevented such. There is nothing in place that would have prevented terrorists from entering our country from the south.

And, as pointed out in the article, we are under attack. Illegals, drug runners, ect are attacking our military right here in the USA. And our government, including our CIC, is doing NOTHING to stop it.

So, what exactly is the Republican plan again?

Calm the fuck down dude, did you have a bowel movement with that rant too? I'll address your questions, just as soon as you answer mine. What is the democrats plan to protect the United States of America from further attacks?

Realist1 · #19 (**permalink**) 01-13-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

If mine or other Americans lives were threatened, yes, without question.

You'd have me right alongside you Stryker...I'm sick of playing by the "Rules" where we're not being allowed to defend our Border.

Take care.

freedomlover · #20 (**permalink**) 01-13-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

Calm the fuck down dude, did you have a bowel movement with that rant too? I'll address your questions, just as soon as you answer mine. What is the democrats plan to protect the United States of America from further attacks?

They will grant amnesty, that is a given. I don't agree with it, but at least they would be documented, for what that's worth. I believe that all have said that they would crack down on illegal immigration, further bolster our border security. And I think all will agree that they would use our military in a much wiser way. And that is the best way to protect our country.

Our military is not an endless resource. I believe all have said that they would work towards better intelligence, and strengthen our foreign relations. Alienating countries I would think would be a detriment to accurate intelligence gathering, so I would assume that strengthening foreign relations would be a very important step in protecting our country, wouldn't you?

They would keep us out of wars of choice, and use our military resources to actually protect our country from direct threats. I don't like Obama, but he gave a wonderful speech on this. You should look it up.