Screw The Fence....it Won't Work!!

RASTAMAN · #21 (**permalink**) 12-05-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 36shadow

As far as the cost, a one time cost is much cheaper that the long term cost of not doing so. If I spend 20 million one time to get rid of a 60 billion a year drain on the economy well you can do the math. As far as those here they scream are paying taxes. Huh, what about the millions they send back home and many are just here to work for three four years then go home. Many are here are gang members see I have lived and worked beside these people for years. They will tell you strait to your face and here is the twist. The ones here leagaly get realy pissed for the most part. Not taking a firm stance on the fence and deportation and huge fines for those who employ them is allowing them to tear our nation apart. If your so damn convinced it is not go live in southern california,places like pico rivera, la mirada, la habra, santa anna see I'm not speaking from opinion I speak from first hand experience. I've been down in the trenches let me tell you your intentions although noble are misplaced. They give two shits about you or this country their aligence is to Mexico and they will tell you to your face brother.

The protest we all saw last summer really showed their loyalties layed with some of the illegal protesters......they were actually hoisting up the flag of Mexico!

So, the ones waving the Mexican Flag showed their true feeling IMHO, when you wave the flag of your country of birth during a protest on American soil you subconciesouly show where and with who your loyalty is with. You add the fact that if you illegally enter into a country, you no longer show respect nor value the laws of the country you illegally entered.

We are still a Nation of Laws.......even a die-hard Liberal like myself realizes this. Remember, w/o laws a civil society eventually errodes into CHAOS!

36shadow · #22 (**permalink**) 12-05-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RASTAMAN

The protest we all saw last summer really showed their where their loyalties lied with some of the illegal protesters......they were actually hoisting up the flag of Mexico!

So, the ones waving the Mexican Flag showed their true feeling IMHO, when you wave the flag of your country of birth during a protest on American soil you subconcisouly show where and with who your loyalty is with. You add the fact that if you illegally enter into a country, you no longer show respect nor value the laws of the country you illegally entered.

We are still a Nation of Laws.......even a die-hard Liberal like myself realizes this. Remember, w/o laws a civil society eventually errodes into CHAOS!

Exactly and by not enforcing our laws on illegal immigration is causing chaos. It is affecting good decent American citazens from all income brackets. We have imposed a 0 tolerance policy on dangerous criminals and hell even our own kids in school yet we do not on illegal immagrants and those that would protect and employ them. The thread stated that the fence will not work and that is 100% not true. On top of the fact that an attack on our national sovreignty is an attack on the very corp of what makes us an independant nation. Ensuring us our own laws and form of govt.

36shadow · #23 (**permalink**) 12-05-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RASTAMAN

The protest we all saw last summer really showed their loyalties layed with some of the illegal protesters......they were actually hoisting up the flag of Mexico!

So, the ones waving the Mexican Flag showed their true feeling IMHO, when you wave the flag of your country of birth during a protest on American soil you subconciesouly show where and with who your loyalty is with. You add the fact that if you illegally enter into a country, you no longer show respect nor value the laws of the country you illegally entered.

We are still a Nation of Laws.......even a die-hard Liberal like myself realizes this. Remember, w/o laws a civil society eventually errodes into CHAOS!

That protest was a slap in the face of our nation, if that had been a protest of shop lifters they would have had a field day arresting them. See the govt. in all its continues ignorance has sent one big message the past several years and that is you can get away with breaking the law right out in the open. And we wonder why things have gotten to where they are. It is not that these people are Mexican it is that they are breaking the laws of this nation in full sight of our govt. and law enforcement and we pay for if and we get slamed for minor infraction like trafic tickets. Hell in california if you fail to go to court or pay a stop sign ticket you will go to jail and if you forgot to do so then go into pay it, after you pay they will still put you in jail. See my point they people and the govt. are causing a hatred toward them, just as the double standard with black americans is.

Badmutha · #24 (**permalink**) 12-05-2007, 04:22 PM

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We are still a Nation of Laws.......even a die-hard Liberal like myself realizes this. Remember, w/o laws a civil society eventually errodes into CHAOS!

Well my die-hard liberal--since it seems your highly opposed to Amnesty--which republican presidential candidate will be recieving your vote?

If you support a democrat candidate--any of them--you support AMNESTY!

Still Dizzy · #25 (**permalink**) 12-05-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RASTAMAN

I've never seen a fence that couldn't be tunneled under or that you couldn't climb over, blow up or cut with wires to get thru.....any way imagine the cost!!!

The Berlin wall did a very good job for 50 years didn't it?

RASTAMAN · #26 (**permalink**) 12-06-2007, 09:16 PM

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The Berlin wall did a very good job for 50 years didn't it?

The Berlin Wall worked under communism, is that your proposal for our govt if we errect a wall/fence on our southern border???

RASTAMAN · #27 (**permalink**) 12-06-2007, 09:20 PM

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Well my die-hard liberal--since it seems your highly opposed to Amnesty--which republican presidential candidate will be recieving your vote?

If you support a democrat candidate--any of them--you support AMNESTY!

Well my Knuckle Dragging Conservative, you made the mistake of assuming that liberals were a monolithic ideology like your robotic-gullible conservative ideology. Truth be told, you couldn't be further from the truth!

36shadow · #28 (**permalink**) 12-06-2007, 09:38 PM

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The Berlin Wall worked under communism, is that your proposal for our govt if we errect a wall/fence on our southern border???

Now why twist it the point and FACT is it kept two sides separate and stoped one from invading the others space or territory. Now one can intelagably tell that the berlin wall and the fence on the southern border are two different things for one we are not communist. hmmmmmmmmm