Originally Posted by RASTAMAN

Rather than resorting to "Water Boarding" and inhumane treatment and behavior; I would as President tell the Embassy's of those countries who are on American soil to tell the leaders of those countries to controll its borders and to respect American soverignty. If not, the U.S. will shut down your Embassy's will be and you be asked to leave our country.

Originally Posted by RASTAMAN

Can we at least start at the heart of the matter and thats with the employers who hire and exploit these workers in the first place?

Originally Posted by Oedipus Rex

Hell, I'll do one better than that. Give all illegals temporary amnesty (meaning: enough time to settle their affairs and leave the country) until the walls are built and fortified. Then, go after every illegal still within our borders and confiscate their assets. Deny illegals access to our legal system (no status = no access). While this is going on, we use the RICO statutes to go after every current employer of illegals. That means confiscating their assets as well... from the little old lady down the street that has illegals doing her yard work to the fortune 100 companies using illegal labor.

Is that fair enough?

Originally Posted by rob

You have my vote, lets do it. But still explain to me why a fence or wall will not be the start of the deterent buisness?

Originally Posted by RASTAMAN

We don't need a fence built to stop illegal immigration from the south! I've never seen a fence that couldn't be tunneled under or that you couldn't climb over, blow up or cut with wires to get thru.....any way imagine the cost!!! We'd have to raise taxes to pay for the fence, and we know how CONSERVATIVES HATE TAX INCREASES!! so no, building a fence is not the answer!!

The illegal’s are coming to America for JOBS! If there were no jobs the illegals would not risk life and limb to come here in the first damn place.

So the solution here is to heavily fine those AMERICAN business owners with stiff fines, penalties, forfeitures of those businesses and jail time for hiring illegal immigrants. Once the jobs dry up the illegals will simply go home. Once the illegal’s who haven't gotten here yet realize that American business owners are no longer hiring b/c of the threat of loosing their businesses and going to jail for hiring illegal workers; those illegal’s with dreams and aspirations for entering into the U.S. illegally will not come here.

Face if folks, it’s not the responsibility of the U.S. and her citizens to provide jobs for Mexican workers. The Govt of Mexico bares the responsibility of providing jobs for her people/citizens solely on their own.

It is also the responsibility of the illegal Mexican workers to return to their own country and get involved politically to force change in their own country to force the Corrupt Mexican Govt to provide jobs for her citizens.

Lastly, the Will of We The People, must put pressure on our Congress and the next Administration to plan an economic envoy visit or summit with the leaders of Mexico and Central America; and tell these leaders that business as usual of looking the other way while illegal’s bum rush our will borders will END IMMEDIATELY!!!

The next Administration may very well need to either threaten Mexico and Central America with closure of their Embassies on American soil to show these countries we mean business!! If they protest the closure....FUCK EM! The countries of Mexico and Central America are breaking our laws in the first place.

If they keep talking shit and fail to honor our border laws and immigration laws, SCREW EM, we will invade them militarily and go Genghis Khan on their Ass by targeting and outright killing and imprisoning the military leadership of those countries, the corrupt police force, Govt officials/Congress and the rich Oligarchies’ families who are ultimately responsible for the plight of poverty and hopelessness of the Mexican and Central American citizens.

Now how long would all this take? I'd say, if we have an estimated 20 million illegal’s working here in the U.S., we are looking at 5 or 10 year period. If some of you argue why so long? my response is, its a lot safer and cheaper to allow the illegal’s to leave on their volition, choice and time table than by brute force.

Remember, once the illegal’s who broke our laws to come here in the first place realize they can no longer feed themselves nor send back money to their love ones in their countries of birth; believe me they will eventually go back home.

O yeah, one last thought, for those of you who may question what happens to the illegal parents who had children born here in this country; their children are now citizen’s b/c of origin of birth.

I would say, allow the parents to stay in the U.S. until the child turns 21 years of age! And then the parents must be deported back to the country of their birth! Stand in line and allow and wait for their children to petition our immigration services to allow their parents to immigrate legally back to the U.S……..that’s right stand in line and wait your turn like everyone else.

Yeah I know it sounds and appears cruel and you’re breaking up the family etc., however, what remains the main issue here is that those parents decided long ago to enter into the U.S. ILLEGALLY! And broke our laws to do so, and the excuse of having children in the U.S. is not excuse to break our laws---plain and simple!

Originally Posted by 36shadow

As far as the cost, a one time cost is much cheaper that the long term cost of not doing so. If I spend 20 million one time to get rid of a 60 billion a year drain on the economy well you can do the math. As far as those here they scream are paying taxes. Huh, what about the millions they send back home and many are just here to work for three four years then go home. Many are here are gang members see I have lived and worked beside these people for years. They will tell you strait to your face and here is the twist. The ones here leagaly get realy pissed for the most part. Not taking a firm stance on the fence and deportation and huge fines for those who employ them is allowing them to tear our nation apart. If your so damn convinced it is not go live in southern california,places like pico rivera, la mirada, la habra, santa anna see I'm not speaking from opinion I speak from first hand experience. I've been down in the trenches let me tell you your intentions although noble are misplaced. They give two shits about you or this country their aligence is to Mexico and they will tell you to your face brother.