Thread: Illegal Immigrants are not a Threat to the United States

Originally Posted by Hotels

The United States as it is today was founded and built upon by immigrants. If you are not a native american, your ancestors are immigrants. Most illegal Mexican immigrants do not wish to enter the United States to further break the law, and simply want better lives for themselves or their family peacefully. Illegal Mexican immigrants do not want to undermine the United States as a society, destroy it, ruin the economy, or steal legal United States citizen's jobs. They are not inherently dangerous, dirty, or evil. They are like you, except generally less racist and xenophobic.

yet another moron who does not understand the difference between immigration and illegal immigration. Let me go over some key points with you

a.the United States was founded on LEGAL immigration, not ILLEGAL immigration, in case you didn't know, take my word for it, there is a big difference

b.I guess you forgot about all these illegals who are stealing social security numbers in order to make better lives for themselves, meaning you are harming American citizens, not to mention stealing JOBS ON THE JOB MARKET, with current unemployment rates above 9%. If there were no illegals, that would open up quite a few jobs for all these unemployed people. Even that as besides the point, in entering our country illegally, they are disrespecting our sovereignty, and breaking our laws, they should do it legally, or not at all.

c.I don't think that illegal immigrants want to undermine us, destroy it, ruin the economy or steal legal United States citizen's jobs either, but that doesn't mean they aren't actually doing it unintentionally, you should learn to understand that.

d.I hate illegal immigrants of all types, the Mexican ones, the Pakistani ones, the European ones from Argentina, all of them, regardless of race. Look up what racist actually means before you call someone it. Also, We are certainly not xenophobic, as I am a high supporter of immigration, the legal kind, try to get that through your head.

Originally Posted by Hotels

The United States as it is today was founded and built upon by immigrants. If you are not a native american, your ancestors are immigrants. Most illegal Mexican immigrants do not wish to enter the United States to further break the law, and simply want better lives for themselves or their family peacefully. Illegal Mexican immigrants do not want to undermine the United States as a society, destroy it, ruin the economy, or steal legal United States citizen's jobs. They are not inherently dangerous, dirty, or evil. They are like you, except generally less racist and xenophobic.

I’m a second generation born American My grandparents came from Ireland in the 30's (legally) Legal immigration is fine, no other country in the world leaves its boards open for a free-for-all.

Originally Posted by Hotels

Yes, when you think about it, if they just want better lives for themselves, why would they NOT do it the right way? What could possibly be so difficult or hazardous about registering themselves as a United States citizen as to cause them to think that coming here illegally would be worth it. There is an answer to that question, and I think you should try to find it and then reconsider your opinion. You say that we need to take Arizona's law and apply it nationally. Why? What is so terrible about illegal immigrants that makes it just worth it enough to be okay to encourage racial profiling, discrimination, and taking away the rights of someone based purely on how they look, whether or not they are a citizen? What percent of drug dealers do you think are illegal Mexican immigrants versus the huge amount of drug dealers born in the United States?

If we didn't have so many problems with the illegal immigrants that are drug dealers or murderers, then it probably wouldn't bother people so much. I know, we have MANY of our own citizens that are drug dealers, there are just as many "bad" US citizens as there are "bad" illegal immigrants, probably more! I don't see it as incouraging profiling or discrimination. Do you think that wasn't happening anyway? There doesn't need to be a new law to encourage it, i'm sure it happens every day all over the US. Sure, you're going to find that happening, at least until we get this messed cleaned up (which will probably never happen!). If someone is stopped for doing something wrong like speeding, shoplifting, whatever, and they have proof on them that they are allowed to be here then they don't have to worry about being deported.
The key word here is ILLEGAL. It's a law and they're breaking it. Have you seen Mexico's laws on being there illegally? We should have the same thing here! And, this needs to apply to ALL people here illegally, not just mexicans.

Let's look at it this way. Last time people( our ancestors) came here without consent of the current inhabitants(Indians) what happened. America!!!

Originally Posted by rowland

Let's look at it this way. Last time people( our ancestors) came here without consent of the current inhabitants(Indians) what happened. America!!!

You have a point

I'm am perfectly ok with someone coming here LIGALLALY!
I think that you should have no problem with the new AZ law if you are legal.
I thinks it's rascist to think of mexicans when you think illigal immagrant, just saying
Illagals ARE harming U.S.A by taking jobs that my dad could ber doing under the table and for a lower pay! (personal experince. dont say it doesn't happen)

Originally Posted by Hotels

The United States as it is today was founded and built upon by immigrants. If you are not a native american, your ancestors are immigrants. Most illegal Mexican immigrants do not wish to enter the United States to further break the law, and simply want better lives for themselves or their family peacefully. Illegal Mexican immigrants do not want to undermine the United States as a society, destroy it, ruin the economy, or steal legal United States citizen's jobs. They are not inherently dangerous, dirty, or evil. They are like you, except generally less racist and xenophobic.

Are you sure about that? Read this hate-filled, racist, anti-Semetic rant by the pro illegal invasion group, Le Voz de Aztlan.

http://www.aztlan.net/mexican_americ..._not_ended.htm

According to these psycho fucks, the Mexican/American war is not over and we're really occupiers of their their territory known as Aztlan (the southwestern states). This is what is rightfully pissing Americans off. These invaders act like they have every right to come here without our permission and that these states really are part of their country. Fuck that shit. The United States is the rightful sovereign of the southwestern states according to the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. These assholes don't want to abide by the treaty they agreed to.

I think that illegal immigrants are basically a threat to society. Some people may say that they take jobs that Americans don't want, but that's not true. The way the economy is now, why wouldn't you want any job that you can get. What makes illegal immigrants so special that they can't go through to process of being legal? They're only draining the U.S. little by little, just to get by. What about the legal immigrants? Aren't they being cheated?

Originally Posted by Hotels

Yes, when you think about it, if they just want better lives for themselves, why would they NOT do it the right way? What could possibly be so difficult or hazardous about registering themselves as a United States citizen as to cause them to think that coming here illegally would be worth it. There is an answer to that question, and I think you should try to find it and then reconsider your opinion. You say that we need to take Arizona's law and apply it nationally. Why? What is so terrible about illegal immigrants that makes it just worth it enough to be okay to encourage racial profiling, discrimination, and taking away the rights of someone based purely on how they look, whether or not they are a citizen? What percent of drug dealers do you think are illegal Mexican immigrants versus the huge amount of drug dealers born in the United States?

Well, for one thing, coming into the US illegaly is like line jumping. No one like the kind of person who does that.
Secondly, illegals cost cirizens money in higher taxes for crowded schools and health care.

This was written by a Mexican who is now a naturalized US Citizen, and I think it's a great explanation of the illegal immigration issue.



Here is the quote:



"If you had tickets to a sports event, concert, Disneyland , or for an airline flight, and when you got to your assigned seat you found someone else was in that seat, what would you do? You would call for a person in charge of ticket checking and have the person in your seat removed. You would properly be asked to show your ticket, and you would gladly and proudly do so, for you have bought and paid for that seat. The person in your seat would also be asked for a ticket, which they would not be able to produce. They would be called "gate crashers" and they would properly be removed.



Now in this huge stadium called the USA we have had millions of gate crashers. We have been asking security to check for tickets and remove the gate crashers. We have been asking security to have better controls in checking at the door. We have asked security to lock the back doors. Security has failed us. They are still looking the other way. They are afraid to ask to see the tickets. Many people say there is unlimited seating, and whether there is or not, no one should be allowed in for free while the rest of us pay full price!



In "section AZ", of "Stadium USA ", we have had enough of the failures of Security. We have decided to do our own ticket checking, and properly remove those who do not have tickets. Now it seems very strange to me that so many people in the other 49 "sections", and even many in our own "section" do not want tickets checked, or even to be asked to show their ticket! Even the head of Security is chastising us, while not doing his own job which he has sworn to do.



My own ticket has been bought and paid for, so I am proudly going to show it when asked to do so. I have a right to my seat, and I want the gate crashers to be asked to show their tickets too. The only reason that I can imagine anyone objecting to being asked for their ticket is that they are in favor of gate crashing, and all of the illegal activities that go with it, such as drug smuggling, gang wars, murder, human smuggling for profit, and many more illegal and inhumane acts that we are trying to prevent with our new legislation. Is that what I am hearing from all of the protestors such as Phoenix Mayor Gordon, US Rep. Grijalva, even President Obama? If you are not in favor of showing tickets, (proof of citizenship, passport, green card, or other legal document) when asked, as I would do proudly, then you must be condoning those illegal activities."





Written by a US Citizen, Globe, Arizona .



This makes perfect sense to me.

Since Obama has never shown his ticket I guess he feels obligated to not ask others to show theirs.